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is roland trying to catch up customer from their past sonar ?

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i am trying out Zenbeat from roland. it is first time i can use a daw, (setting, recording and editing ) in a desktop touchscreen without touching the mouse a single time . unfortunalely not complete as Cakewalk, here is the minimum. cakewalk with zenbeat touchable functionalities will be the daw of 21 century. 

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35 minutes ago, InstrEd said:

Them and soon Behringer :D 

Really I think Roland is just going after a different market.

Yes this is just like Bandlab app as compared to Cakewalk.. Totally different market. In my family there are a few young teenagers just discovering music creation using these "APPS" one could argue that they are just creating more of the same stuff that seems to have flooded the world of music. They use pre created loops and then for the most part RAPP over this into their cell phones and then lord help us,  they post it to you tube. 

A friend just stopped by yesterday ( one of the few who is allowed) and was all excited because her grandson and friend had posted one of these you tubes. It was terrible in every way a home made video could be terrible. But to her the grandson might as well have been a super star.  The artistic equivalent of Googling a picture, printing it, and telling everyone this is your picture you "made".  Anyhow as long as they stay away from my DAW all is good.  

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Well, they're creating something.

 

I doubt little Wolfie's first piano piece under Leopold's whip hand was quite up to the level of The Magic Flute or the Requiem.

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Nothing wrong with assembling prefab riffs into songs.  I mean really, there are probably half a dozen loops the blues use for most  songs..  they just sing different lyrics over the same old tunes.  And it still works great.

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4 hours ago, abacab said:

Does Band in a Box generate real music?

If you like Country, Bluesy rock, various jazz styles, or elevator music, then yes. 

But being serious, the results are very impressive. For RealTracks it cleverly picks random parts of pre-recorded material. For MIDI it's even more clever, generating parts on the fly.

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I think my comment about BIAB was mostly tongue-in-cheek... just riffing on the idea of constructing songs from prefab elements.

Is it OK to call the results "your" music?

Disclaimer: I have BIAB and like it. I consider it an educational tool and practice aid, but don't really expect it to write my next hit song. But I might get lucky! :)

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21 hours ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

Only thing I can think when I look at Zenbeats is "Those touch elements sure occupy a lot of my screen space. How do I turn them off?"

Sure, if you don't use touchscreen.....although  zenbeat can be resize !

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On 2/13/2021 at 5:38 PM, InstrEd said:

Them and soon Behringer :D 

Really I think Roland is just going after a different market.

maybe but it will depend on their policy, the  staff who built what was Stagelight  (roland should have keep this name) can make some surprised. but still i don't check how vst are handled. since i discovered an use cubasis on ipad, my main focus is to throw the  prehistoric rat from my desktop computer, my hand reject the mouse. that is why i came to cakewalk but it need a so big improvement for be touchable....or you can go for Ableton and Cubase with a third party software for be touchable but since there is new version of both, third party need to program update compatibilities thzt id  not the case till now.

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3 hours ago, natalini said:

Sure, if you don't use touchscreen.....although  zenbeat can be resize !

In my experience, GUI resizes never work well when you want elements to be smaller. They were made for people that have 4K displays.

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15 hours ago, abacab said:

Is it OK to call the results "your" music?

sure, just like all those blues riffs that got "reimagined " :D

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i see what you mean and i smiled for the clone image although  it can be many way of driving such minor pentatonic riffs.

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