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Hi Hat Randomly Opening and Closing in Midi Track

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Have another mystery - hopefully posting in the right forum. I record using midi (captured from Roland TD25) and processed with the EZDrummer 2 instrument... I have a number of open hi-hat midi notes, all on the same line (same note on the piano roll). But sometimes, the hi hat is shutting, truncating the note, and other times, the hi hat is opening more than with other notes. I've inspected the piano roll for any duplicate notes, even zoomed all the way in. I can't see anything that would cause this... even solo'd the hihat.

Any thoughts or suggestions on how to hunt down the cause?

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You could look in the event list (Views, Event List).

BTW:  Open Hi-Hat and Close Hi-Hat are different 'notes' on the piano roll.

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One of the contributing factors here is I have take lanes through multiple takes, however, I've inspected ever aspect, trimmed and deleted certain takes and I can't find the offending event. Note I also tried shutting off humanizing in EZD, no luck. I think the event list may help ( I was not familiar with it) - but having troubles understanding it.

- Why are some in orange some in black?

- I have no idea why so many 4-Foot controller notes listed here - I believe this is the issue, but these shouldn't be here

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Did find through select filter, I can select only "Control"... 

Need figure out why my controller is sending all these - any thoughts or insight welcome. This appears to be my issue.

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It definitely is your issue.

It might be mechanically loose, and keep changing. It might be dirty. See if you can "service" it.

See if you can disable it.

The orange entries are "Control", the black ones ate "Note."

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2 hours ago, Scott Kendrick said:

Is there a way to select all 4-Foot controller notes within a specific time range, to delete these?

That would be a great feature....perhaps you could suggest it....I know there's a place to do that somewhere on this site!

(Filter/Select events by time range, text search, controller number, etc.)

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I checked the manual of TD25. In the MIDI setting option, HHPedal uses CC 4 Foot Controller, so Cakewalk will record this controller

In Cakewalk, the controller can use the select filter function to delete, or exclude the CC controller during recording

(Sorry! I use google translate 🙂)

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Thank you @Johnny Tsao - so unchecking controller should prevent all those from being captured.... but will that effect the resulting note that is captured? I'm assuming the controller combined with the hi-hat trigger defines what state the hi-hat is in and therefore which midi note - e.g. closed tight, closed, open a bit, open more, etc...

What I find odd is that even when the right note is triggered in the piano roll, the sound can be different. So perhaps, I need to capture the Controller to begin with, but then I can delete all of those controller signals after capturing.

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You can manually enter a value for CC4 at the beginning of the event list, but this si not an ideal way of working.

What happens when you play a groove where you want to pedal the HH. You need to get the foot controller seen to.

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19 hours ago, Scott Kendrick said:

Thank you @Johnny Tsao - so unchecking controller should prevent all those from being captured.... but will that effect the resulting note that is captured? I'm assuming the controller combined with the hi-hat trigger defines what state the hi-hat is in and therefore which midi note - e.g. closed tight, closed, open a bit, open more, etc...

What I find odd is that even when the right note is triggered in the piano roll, the sound can be different. So perhaps, I need to capture the Controller to begin with, but then I can delete all of those controller signals after capturing.

You're welcome @Scott Kendrick

The unchecking controller does not affect the recording of midi note, but, as you said, the existence of the controller must be necessary. Please use the unchecking method carefully.

Regarding the way to filter out the controller, I have 3 methods for your reference, please refer to the video I recorded

Hope it helps

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZkQ5BpTrLSGLaaFOjLaqYIg4-2J_hluM/view?usp=sharing

(Also use google translation😄)

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