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Yes - not sure what the epected behaviour is here but I noticed that yesterday. I've got a number of Vienna Pro instances and i'm trying to reduce processing power by freezing - but it was a bit unfortunate and more time consuming that it was bouncing 16 tracks to audio each time.

Cakewalk team - anything that can be improved there?

 

Edit: Sorry - didn't quote the person above correctly and accidentally double posted :)

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On 8/1/2020 at 4:08 PM, enmamusic said:

Friend, in the picture it is more than evident that cakewalk has the smallest faders graphically.  This for users of other Daw is especially annoying since they are used to visualize their fader with more precision because it is larger.  Although the precision is the same it is graphically uncomfortable.  Most Daw have that going for them and you've seen this review on various cakewalk forums.  About the Side Chain I mean the ease of linking plugin from its interface to sidechain mode.  In Cakewalk it is more difficult because it is not in sight.  Then I send a screenshot for you to watch.

Sequoia Side Chain.JPG

This would preclude (without some horrendous Reaper-like GUI :-)) mixing multiple tracks/busses to feed to a sidechain input - the CbB approach is more flexible than this.

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Bug Report: Uncheck "Single bounce per track" freeze option is broken

Hi

On this option, documentation says:

"Single Bounce Per Track
Check this if you want to create a single clip for all the bounced audio. If you don’t check this, each separate clip on a track creates a separate clip when you freeze the track."

However, when unchecking "Single bounce per track" option in the Freeze Options dialog box, freeze function will only bounce first clip and make disappear remaining clips in the track. It has been like this for several past versions of CW, including present 2020.07 Early Access version. Already tried this in two different computers with same behavior on both.

To verify:

-Open a track with several audio clips in it.

-Right click on freeze button to open options dialog box. (Fig 1)

-Uncheck "Single bounce per track" option. Hit "Ok". (Fig 2)

-Click Freeze button. CW Freezes only the first clips, and remaining clips disappear. (fig 3)

-Dotted line indicating presence of clips remains, but they are not visualized and can´t be played. (fig 4)

-Press Control-Z to undo, CW unfreezes only first clip, remaining clips still can´t be visualized, even though dotted lines indicate their presence. (Fig 5)

-Upon opening take lanes, disappeared clips can be visualized only in main track lane but not on take lane (Fig 6), but still can not be played. (Fig 7)

As stated, have tried this in two different computers with exactly the same behavior, even after complete system reformatting/restart. and clean install. It doesn´t matter what audio clips are present. It happens with and without plugins instantiated in the fx box.

This has been happening since at least the last three CW updates, including present 2020.07 EA version.

Please fix this evident bug, as it has been always working and has ceased to function, and is clearly not intended behavior.

Thanks.


P.S.: Also, please fix the External Insert plugin, for it to have true mono routing. Thanks.

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Thanks for the reports. BTW please keep in mind that this thread is primarily to discuss any issues or regressions directly related to the 2020.07 early access and not to make feature requests or post general bug reports. Please use a different thread to report other issues.

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2 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Thanks for the reports. BTW please keep in mind that this thread is primarily to discuss any issues or regressions directly related to the 2020.07 early access and not to make feature requests or post general bug reports. Please use a different thread to report other issues.

Hi Noel

Thanks for answering.

Regarding the freeze bug, it is present on the actual official release, and on the Early Access release, so I think it is relevant to this thread.

Regarding the External Insert fix request, I have posted about it in the Feedback forum more than twenty days ago (July 11), and it has not been addressed by any staff member yet. Since this is also present in the Early Access release, it may also be relevant to this thread.

Abiding by your answer, I will also post this report to the Feedback forum.

Hope both issues can be addressed and fixed.

Again, thanks.

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As I said these thread is to report issues with the Early Access release so it should be used to report issues that are NEW to this release or its features rather than preexisting issues. We are of course interested in knowing about those as well but post them in the other more general forum. The external insert issue is not a bug - its a feature request and will be handled in due course. We have a backlog of many items so its normal for some things to take many months to be considered or addressed.

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2 hours ago, kc23 said:

Hi Noel

Thanks for answering.

Regarding the freeze bug, it is present on the actual official release, and on the Early Access release, so I think it is relevant to this thread.

Regarding the External Insert fix request, I have posted about it in the Feedback forum more than twenty days ago (July 11), and it has not been addressed by any staff member yet. Since this is also present in the Early Access release, it may also be relevant to this thread.

Abiding by your answer, I will also post this report to the Feedback forum.

Hope both issues can be addressed and fixed.

Again, thanks.

These are not issues introduced by the Early Access release, therefore they are not really relevant to this thread.

You would probably want to log a support ticket (one for each issue) here.

https://help.cakewalk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=360000025633

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I looked at the freeze issue and it was actually introduced a few releases ago when we added support for multiple instrument tracks.
Its now been fixed for the final release so thanks for reporting it - although it would have been better in the previous release thread :)

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1 hour ago, Promidi said:

These are not issues introduced by the Early Access release, therefore they are not really relevant to this thread.

You would probably want to log a support ticket (one for each issue) here.

https://help.cakewalk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=360000025633

This observation was already made, so I posted about both issues on the feedback forum.

Thanks for that link, I actually looked around and didn´t find it. Got a couple of other request, so will put it to good use.

 

39 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

I looked at the freeze issue and it was actually introduced a few releases ago when we added support for multiple instrument tracks.
Its now been fixed for the final release so thanks for reporting it - although it would have been better in the previous release thread :)

Great!
Actually I thought it was related to my system, so I endured it till it was time for my usual system restart. I just did it, and also just got the chance to confirm it on another system.
Any way, thanks for the attention and quick addressing of the issue. Will try and be more careful about keeping things on topic.

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I love Arranger and I'm really looking forward to the multiple arrangement track feature. I have seen a few glitches with Arrange inspector and Arrange tracks in the early release that I don't recall anyone else reporting:

1. Often when removing or renaming a section in the inspector, the popup menu doesn't go away after selecting rename or delete. In such cases the rename or delete operation does complete. I've also seen this behavior when renaming a section via right-mouse click operation on the arranger track.

2. When renaming a section in the Arrange inspector, once in a great while the text box in which you type the new name does not release focus. The only way out of this is to exit and restart Cakewalk.

3. Click on a section in the arranger track. Then click and drag while holding CTRL to do a copy operation. Often it will work just fine. But once it a while it will shift around all of the clips in the project. If you select multiple sections for drag/copy, it will happen more often. Once it starts happening, I've not been able to make it work again without restarting Cakewalk.

All of these are intermittent issues but #3 seems to happen often enough that I might be able to make a screen capture video of it if it's needed.

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Just downloaded Early Access:

FYI: 1st project I opened, I was set at "00" time and changed the BPM in the main header.   It inserted a new BPM at 000 but left other BPMs there.  OK, but after going into the TEMPO screen,  there was no way to DELETE the unwanted tempo changes.

Hope this helps,

Ron

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Found it hidden on the left.    Don't know where the other BPMs even came from.  Thought there used to be an option to delete from the opened window, once selected. 

I go back to CW 3.0 thru Platinum.

Thanks,

Ron

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3 minutes ago, Rockinpop said:

Just downloaded Early Access:

FYI: 1st project I opened, I was set at "00" time and changed the BPM in the main header.   It inserted a new BPM at 000 but left other BPMs there.  OK, but after going into the TEMPO screen,  there was no way to DELETE the unwanted tempo changes.

Hope this helps,

Ron

 

In the Tempo View, the first entry cannot be deleted, however all other ones can be deleted, so if you had inserted a change at measure 1 that you wanted to remove, you need to change the tempo at measure 1, then remove any subsequent unwanted changes. 

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7 hours ago, Kevin Walsh said:

I love Arranger and I'm really looking forward to the multiple arrangement track feature. I have seen a few glitches with Arrange inspector and Arrange tracks in the early release that I don't recall anyone else reporting:

1. Often when removing or renaming a section in the inspector, the popup menu doesn't go away after selecting rename or delete. In such cases the rename or delete operation does complete. I've also seen this behavior when renaming a section via right-mouse click operation on the arranger track.

2. When renaming a section in the Arrange inspector, once in a great while the text box in which you type the new name does not release focus. The only way out of this is to exit and restart Cakewalk.

3. Click on a section in the arranger track. Then click and drag while holding CTRL to do a copy operation. Often it will work just fine. But once it a while it will shift around all of the clips in the project. If you select multiple sections for drag/copy, it will happen more often. Once it starts happening, I've not been able to make it work again without restarting Cakewalk.

All of these are intermittent issues but #3 seems to happen often enough that I might be able to make a screen capture video of it if it's needed.

@Kevin Walsh - have you got an example project you could send me with these issues?

Also, it might be worth running dxdiag on your machine.  The arranger components use DirectX under the hood for drawing, so if there's a problem with your directx setup this could explain your issues.

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I'm having issues with the arranger track.   Maybe it's my error?   I cannot rename tracks and the arranger dialogue screen gets stuck.  The only way to remove it is to undo everything.   Am I missing something?  When I click on rename, nothing happens...

 

I think I have to choose a section type first, then it seems to be working..

Is this correct?

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11 hours ago, msmcleod said:

@Kevin Walsh - have you got an example project you could send me with these issues?

Also, it might be worth running dxdiag on your machine.  The arranger components use DirectX under the hood for drawing, so if there's a problem with your directx setup this could explain your issues.

I am having same issue, renaming doesn't work and the dialogue box gets stuck.   The dialogue box in the arranger track seems very buggy.  Cannot change colors.  I have to undo to get it to disappear.  Even when I minimize Cakewalk to write on this forum, the arranger dialogue box doesn't disappear.  Nuts! I was hoping to learn this new feature quickly but too many bugs to even try to use it...I have a fairly new machine with Intel graphics card.   DXdiag doesn't show any problems..

Section Type must be defined, I think that was the issue...

 

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Here is a short video of issue #3 from my previous post. As you can see, once the copied section is dropped, all the clips in the project are packed together and shifted all the way to to beginning of the timelines. I can provide project, can you provide an upload location for it?

DxDiag runs successfully on this machine. I do lots of WPF programming work which uses DirectX on this box and I've not had and DX-related display issues with it.

 

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While I'm making videos, here's an issue that's driving me quietly insane. Clicking on the drag pad on the horizontal scroll bar and moving it a tiny fraction of an inch shifts the view some 600 or so measures deep. In the video watch the time line measure markers.

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2 hours ago, jsg said:

I am having same issue, renaming doesn't work and the dialogue box gets stuck.   The dialogue box in the arranger track seems very buggy.  Cannot change colors.  I have to undo to get it to disappear.  Even when I minimize Cakewalk to write on this forum, the arranger dialogue box doesn't disappear.  Nuts! I was hoping to learn this new feature quickly but too many bugs to even try to use it...I have a fairly new machine with Intel graphics card.   DXdiag doesn't show any problems..

Section Type must be defined, I think that was the issue...

 

I haven't been able to get it to happen since I reported it. Once I close the program then come back in, it doesn't happen until I really need it to work. :)

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