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I put these comments elsewhere but it looks like they belong here.

 

LOVE the Arranger Track! A few nitpicks:

* Sections definitely need to obey dragging of clips in Track View. Moving around clips and then requiring moving the clips to line up makes it hard to use.

* As others have mentioned, arranger track needs to be visible in PRV, Staff View, etc.

* "Compact mode" would be nice to show more sections in the arranger pane on the left side by having each tile take up less vertical space

* When I hover over a section in the section pane, they highlight, but that's not useful. I would love it if you hovered over a section in the section pane, that everywhere that pane is used in the currently displayed arrangement is highlighted. SUPER useful

* I find myself constantly selecting stuff in Track View or PRV, and then wanting to tell Cakewalk "Make this selection a new Arranger Track section". Then I realize it's not done that way and I have to drag in the Arranger track itself. Not a big deal, but I forget every time.

* this is a v2 thing, but I'd love to be able to have overlapping sections. Should those last 2 bars be part of this section or not? I'd like to try both ways, and so I need to split it into two sections.

* I'd like to click within a tile in the arrangement pane and have playback start there. (For example, clicking in the very middle of a tile would start playback halfway through the section, etc.) It's ok that I can only click on the play in the tile to play the entire section, but as a lot of arrangement experimentation involves transitions, I want to hear just the last two bars or one section to hear if it flows into the next section. Using the play buttons in the arrangement, I can only playback entire sections.

* when committing an arrangement, I appreciate the warning, but I would like it to give me the option to save the arrangement as a different project name, so that I can export multiple arrangements as separate Cakewalk files.

Here are things I love about Arranger:

* Random colorization of tiles. THANK YOU! I wish that mechanism was available everywhere in Cakewalk!

* General intuitiveness. Unlike many Cakewalk features, I picked up how to use the Arranger Track almost immediately without looking at help files. That was a delightful experience.

* Clever font squishing in small sections - I noticed and appreciated that attention to detail!

 

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On 4/27/2020 at 1:29 PM, Noel Borthwick said:

@Sean Aitken I'm not sure what bug you are referring to. SONAR did not support mono in / stereo out plugins and neither does CbB yet. This is not a regression by any means. You can easily try adding any Waves mono in -> stereo out plugin to SONAR or CbB and it will only work in mono, because input and output interleave is always symmetric today. Waves is also aware of this.

As Jon mentioned, it so happens that we have been doing some extensive work with an overhaul of the interleave and bypass management and have addressed many longstanding issues. However I have yet to look at the mono - stereo processing case.   While I definitely agree that its desirable for this to work there are a bunch of dependencies that complicate it. I'll know when I look into it further.

 

Well this is interesting. I just installed the latest 2020.05 update, and things have changed for the better! I can now switch a mono track to have stereo interleave and use Waves stereo plugins.. and it works perfectly! I tried a delay and reverb. Both worked as I would expect.

I also checked and it seems the dry signal is panned center coming into the plugin, which it is, and I'm happy (I was afraid that it might enter a stereo plugin on the left side only :P. The Mono-Stereo plugins still don't work, but honestly I don't care.

Maybe I'm hallucinating, but this is exciting!

On another note, I recently have been using Cubase Pro. I just double-checked and it suffers from not allowing mono-> stereo on a mono track too! In order for any mono->stereo effects to work (or stereo effect with mono recording), the track MUST be of type "stereo" when it's created. it doesn't give me the option to click the mode and change it like the interleave option in Cakewalk.

Nice work! I feel so emotionally torn with Cubase and Sonar...er.. Cakewalk right now.. :)

(wait... maybe the interleave button was simply missing before this update?... hmmmm.. am I losing my mind?....)

Cheers!
- Sean

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Yes all the known anomalies with mixing pure mono and stereo plugins have been solved in this release. 
The interleave button was always there but the logic in the effects rack had to be updated to handle various complex cases where you have mixed interleave.

Mono in stereo out VST plugins are not yet supported. 

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On 5/26/2020 at 9:04 PM, jkoseattle said:

I'd like to click within a tile in the arrangement pane and have playback start there. (For example, clicking in the very middle of a tile would start playback halfway through the section, etc.) It's ok that I can only click on the play in the tile to play the entire section, but as a lot of arrangement experimentation involves transitions, I want to hear just the last two bars or one section to hear if it flows into the next section. Using the play buttons in the arrangement, I can only playback entire sections.

@jkoseattleThis is already possible. In the arrangement sections if you  CTRL-click on the play button for a section it will play that section from where the now time is within that section. Set the now time on the timeline and then ctrl click to audition playback from anypoint within that section.
Alternatively you can click in the timeline and press SHIFT-ALT-space to start playback from the now time for the first section that overlaps with that time.

To be able to do that from the arranger view itself would require another seek bar since clicking a section always positions the time to the beginning of the section.

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