kontakt player 6 - cakewalk - drum map - middle east

[Peter Stiens]

Hi all, I recently bought the "NI - Middle East Sample Library" . It's great. but there is one thing, I can't figure out. That's how to use a drum map with this combination. 

I've set up a small demo (see screenshot) that perfectly works with the SI-Drumkit or others. It even works with a piano, driven by the drum map.

Can anyone help please, because with middle east drums it's even more important to have the names mapped than with a western drum kit.

Thank you in advance.

Best regards

Peter

[Nigel Mackay]

Different instruments need different drum maps. If the one you have loaded works with SI-Drums, in the textbox Presets, type DM1-SI Drums and click on Save. Now you have a drum map that works for SI Drums.

Ask around if anyone has a drum map for the Middle East Sample library. You might get lucky.

If not, consult the user manual for the drum kit, it will have the mapping for the drums there. Then create a drum map, naming it NI Middle East, using this video as a guide. It is a lot of work, so I normally just put in the most important stuff as a start. As and when I need other articulations I add them. Can't remember if the video says how to edit an existing drum map, but when you need it just ask on the forum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIquUl-7NfE&t=665s

You can create a drum map for any instrument that uses keyswitches for articulations. Then you create a MIDI track for the notes and a MIDI track for articulations.

[Peter Stiens]

Thank you Nigel for your quick response.

Unfortunately that's not the problem.

I'm using the "pass through map" as a template.

that means, all notes are inluded and I can rename them appropriatly (I have the PDF with the names here)

But there is no sound from the middle east kontakt player pluging.

Any ideas? 

[scook]

Don't use Kontakt so this may not be helpful.

The piano and SI-Drums ignore the channel setting.

I know Kontakt uses channels. Is it possible Kontakt is not listening for data on channel 10?

 

[Nigel Mackay]

Yes, you are sending the midi data on the wrong channel. Also, you haven't set the synth on Track 3 to listen to any of the Kontakt outputs.

The reason the piano and the SI Drums work is because they are not being fed htrought the drum map.

Kontakt doesn't work the way you are using it. Especially the drums, it is far more complicated than that.

You need to learn how to use Kontakt. YouTube has plenty of videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF64xNsM8T8&t=2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OTwZ3NXW9w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WzVBvg8Vw0&t=273s

And also, if you want to use a drum map, you must watch that video in my first post.

 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Nigel Mackay

[Nigel Mackay]

Just to get something going:

Track 1, change O from the drum map to 4-Kontak1.

Still with track 1 selected, press I to open the Track Inspector.

In left module, where it has C, B, P change C from None to 1: Kontakt.

In Track 3, where it says I, O, C change I from None to Kontakt 1 -> Kt. st.01/Kt. st.01 R: Stereo. (Kontakt channel names are a pain.)

Should get something when you press play.

 

 

[Peter Stiens]

8 hours ago, Nigel Mackay said:

Different instruments need different drum maps. If the one you have loaded works with SI-Drums, in the textbox Presets, type DM1-SI Drums and click on Save. Now you have a drum map that works for SI Drums.

Ask around if anyone has a drum map for the Middle East Sample library. You might get lucky.

If not, consult the user manual for the drum kit, it will have the mapping for the drums there. Then create a drum map, naming it NI Middle East, using this video as a guide. It is a lot of work, so I normally just put in the most important stuff as a start. As and when I need other articulations I add them. Can't remember if the video says how to edit an existing drum map, but when you need it just ask on the forum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIquUl-7NfE&t=665s

You can create a drum map for any instrument that uses keyswitches for articulations. Then you create a MIDI track for the notes and a MIDI track for articulations.

Thanks Nigel, I knew this video from Mike already. It was the basis for me to start. I did everything step by step and it works fine with SI-drums but not with kontakt. Tomorrow I will check  if the problem has to do with channel 10.

Again, thank you for your kind advice.

regards, Peter

 

[Peter Stiens]

8 hours ago, scook said:

Don't use Kontakt so this may not be helpful.

The piano and SI-Drums ignore the channel setting.

I know Kontakt uses channels. Is it possible Kontakt is not listening for data on channel 10?

 

Thank you scook, I will check that tomorrow.