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  1. This could work, I see what you mean. I noticed though that the outside main folder of a project and the cwp folder inside both share identical names. So both would need renaming, but if I rename it at the SaveAs point while in CWbB, then I think both get renamed automatically. Yes it's the way I've always done it, it's just that I had not created a system for backup files, I just had been dragging them to an external HDD in another folder like Cakewalk Projects, only it would be Cakewalk Projects Bkup, or something like that. I just ran into where I had daily revisions I wanted to backup as well, and I'd have to keep replacing the previously saved backup. I am looking to keep a few daily backups for awhile until I know I can get rid of some of them. So what scook and John said about adding dates to the backups to keep them in some organized way sounds like a good method. It may likely be even more secure than drag drop to the external, I've accidentally copied a project or two to the wrong folder, one took me awhile to find! lol Ok I see John, makes perfect sense. So you would always have at least one dated backup of any given project in the album folder. I'm glad there is a second option, this is good! I do like the "by project" setup a little more, it is more familiar to they way I set mine up now.
  2. Thanks scook, this is good stuff.....I like the idea for the "To External" folder, using Save As to directly save an "update of the day so to speak." I know I don't need to worry about the project name being the same if I'm saving the daily update to a different folder than the original's location. Looking ahead to when you would move them from the To External folder to the external HDD, how are multiple copies of that same project being named? If you try to save in the same folder you get prompted to overwrite existing, they can't share the same file name. So the first thought for me is I would need to add a revision date to the end of the file name while in the Save As dialog box, is that basically the method you use to avoid duplicating a file name? I'm looking at my project files in Windows Explorer, and all my CWbB projects are in the C:\Cakewalk Projects folder as usual. Each project has a main or outside folder, and inside that are the audio folder, and the .cwp file. When I move them to an external HDD for backup, I just move/copy that entire folder as one item. I would be interested in seeing a screenshot of what a typical heirarchy tree and folder names would look like for the multiple backups of the same project on the External HDD . Whoa you have a lot of music! So when you're saving projects to your Album backup you are likely dating the file name so as not to duplicate the name if there are a few other copies in that folder. This is all good, I appreciate the discussion. I am really trying to become more efficient with how I store backups, and want to just keep it simple at the same time. For my Mixes, I have always used a simple folder setup with subfolders separated by project name.
  3. Once saved, I do still drag project folders from one HDD to another for safe keeping. They are self contained with all audio inside too, so they should transfer just fine. I've never had an issue with moving them around, it's when I used the overwrite when saving from CW.
  4. I'm just trying to establish a backup system without things getting too confusing, especially if I'm going to keep any older versions of a song/project. As I mentioned above, at the end of my recording session, I just want to save the project as it currently stands because changes have been made, I just want to double backup in case the one in the Cakewalk Projects folder on my main HDD gets corrupted or something. What do you mean John by "container folder"? ....I assume you mean your CW Projects main folder?
  5. I see, interesting, all I want to do as I save any newly added tracks on a given day and make an extra backup of those changes somewhere else safe besides my main C drive, like an external HDD. Let me make sure I'm understanding this right......So hypothetically if your project name is "My Song", that means if you are using Save As option every time you save new changes as your project grows and new tracks are added, then you must be needing to name it a different name so as not to overwrite the one of the same name that you previously saved, so it would mean naming the current one "My Song 2" or something like that, correct? Then you delete the older one(s) as new revisions get saved, is that right? Ok, so that is why I was getting issues, I did stop using that method once I ran into an issue. It wasn't with every project, but it happened, so I stopped doing it that way.
  6. Did a "rename/save project" search and saw this thread. I have a simple question along similar lines........ I frequently double backup my projects I am currently working on to 2 external HDD. For the longest time I would just copy the project folder (with all its contents and audio) to the External HDD, and select the Windows "overwrite existing file?" option for the backup project folder of the same name on the External. Then I noticed I began getting some audio errors if I needed to reload the one off the external to my main PC drive. Hard to describe, but let's just say I believe that maybe some of the audio either got corrupted, or the old audio didn't all get deleted when I did the overwrite with the currently updated version. I thought maybe if I had Archived tracks in that project it would cause the issue, but not really sure. So when I want to back up now, I began to first delete the existing backup project folder on the external HDD, then just copy the currently updated one to the HDD, thus eliminating any overwrite issues. Aside from being a little risky deleting the older backup first, is this a good way to backup my project to a HDD? What method do you use? Thanks!
  7. Ok Will, thanks, I watched the video. Seems pretty simple to connect. I do have a couple of questions though.... I assume instead of using my Behringer mixer, I'll be using the audio outputs of my audio interface to send the record and playback signals to my studio monitors, and control playback volume with the A/I That being the case, when I get to a scenario where let's say I already have recorded a drum and a bass track in CWbB, now I want to play those tracks while I record a new keyboard synth track. Using the setup described in the video with my A/I connected to my mixer, will I be able to control the playback volume of the drum/bass playback separately from the volume of the new keyboard track that I am recording live? This is an issue that I have now with just using the Behringer alone because if I use the control room/headphone volume knob on the Behringer, both are sent to that knob, so it raises or lowers both my playback and record volumes simultaneously. So if I want the drums and bass to be quieter so I can hear the keyboard part I'm playing better, the only way to do it is to use my volume controls within CWbB. It's one of the things that prompted me to change and go with a USB mixer that has multi USB so I can send the playback tracks to any channel and therefore control the levels separately.
  8. Thanks for that link Will, interesting, ..gonna watch tonight. It never really occurred to me to connect the two.
  9. Too bad about the Audiobox latency, thanks for mentioning, I wasn't aware. I only used my Audiobox a few times on my laptop and it was just to connect a guitar for practice, latency seemed fine for that, but I never tried putting it to the test on a decent sized project in CW. I used to use an old Delta 66 by M-Audio, and it worked well for me at the time, but I've found M-Audio stuff to be kinda buggy in general sometimes. I'm gonna have to make a list of which Audio Interfaces play well with CW, and also list the prices. What are the Focusrite interfaces like, any good? I just watched another video on bit depth and the speaker mentioned they were decent for a budget interface. Not sure what you mean about only needing two tracks.....you mean only two instrument inputs/outputs? I use a mixer because if I want to have all my stuff connected and ready at any time, I need a minimum of 4 inputs for my stereo keyboards, 1 for my electric guitar, 1-2 for mics. That said however, I do usually only record one thing at a time since I do it all myself most times, so having something like an Audiobox would mean connecting whatever instrument I'm using to record and then disconnecting that to connect the next one. I kinda like having it all available at once in case I want to audition other parts. Ok, I just tried again and for some reason last time I selected 1202fx instead of 1204fx, my bad. I'm not sure if this is the one I need, or if I even need it, I'll have to check my driver version first. Driver update can be a pain for me, can't seem to ever just be a simple process. The Behringer downloads page re-routes me to this page.... https://www.asio4all.org/
  10. Thanks for the heads up John. I'll take that suggestion about an interface. I have a basic 2 channel Audiobox that I sometimes use with my laptop, but I'll look into a better one going forward. I use a mixer cuz I'm usually running two keyboards, each in stereo, a couple guitars and a mic, so I like the mixer and having all of it connected all the time, even if I'm not trying to get a signal to my DAW. Also, the MTK 12 can send multiple USB channels to multiple tracks in CW, so if I want to record an acoustic guitar track I can have three separate tracks recording simultaneously, one with a mic, one direct, and one room mic. I can't do that with the Behringer, it's only a two way street, one in and one out. I love Omnishpere! I used to have Atmosphere years ago, but it's gone now and I can't find my registration info, and to upgrade to Omnisphere without it is really pricey. I called them and they had no record of my registration, too many years have passed, so I'd have to purchase as a first time user, can't afford that right now. It's a great plugin, so is Bass Trilogy, but way overpriced imho. Yeah I think I will eventually have to go with an interface that will give me super low latency compared to using my USB mixer. The mixer will have to do until such time as I can afford another interface, but it's looking more like one of the best ways to beat it. I'm using 80-90% of my 8GB of RAM all the time, according to the performance meter in CW, and my HDD is over 65% full and the HD meter in CW is always lit up red even in very small projects while the audio engine is running. So there are definitely a few things that need addressing as far as upgrading. SSD and RAM for sure, no question.
  11. I hear that, and for awhile now as my plugin library has grown, I have been learning that even if I want to have all my plugins running for editing and stuff, sometimes I just have to work my project in pieces, as you have suggested. It kinda sucks sometimes, but I've found it doesn't hurt me to find ways to work more efficiently, given whatever PC limitations arise.
  12. I have already purchased a replacement for my Behringer. For now I got a deal on a Soundcraft Sig MTK 12. I don't know about their drivers, but they have to be a notch better than the Behringer, maybe a few notches from what I'm told. Funny you mention that too, cuz I was thinking of trying to just hook up my Audiobox interface just to see if the problems still continue, will have to try that. Thank you for the drivers link too, I was having trouble finding those for some reason. Behringer's website is kinda confusing to me, you? I am definitely looking in that direction on the upgrade, at least an SSD drive and more RAM, then go from there. The six core seems fine for most CW applications unless I load a project with a lot of CPU heavy plugs, and I pretty much know which ones those are now. Yes it has helped, and thanks!
  13. Thank for clarifying Jonesey, much appreciated! The videos above and these articles a friend sent me each helped a lot. I made quite a few changes to Windows according to the suggestions in those articles and my PC definitely seems to be running more efficiently. I didn't expect to notice it that much, but it was quite a change. Still need to upgrade some hardware, but in the meantime things have improved, thanks guys, much appreciated. How to tune a Windows PC for best audio performance... https://www.audinate.com/learning/faqs/how-can-i-tune-a-windows-pc-for-best-audio-performance 10 Things to disable in Windows.... https://www.cnet.com/how-to/10-things-to-disable-in-windows-10/
  14. Thanks for the info. Just so I understood what you said correctly,.....you're saying Render at 32 and don't use Dither when I'm exporting my entire mix to a wav file. So you must be assuming that I'll be using another program separate from Cakewalk for the final mix mastering, and that I will then be using that program to Render a final cut for CD at 16 with Dither. I assume that is what you mean, unless I'm staying within Cakewalk to master the final mix, then I would need to change from 32 to 16 in Cakewalk to output a 16 wav for CD. I am watching the "WTF is Dither" video right now, the fog is starting to clear a little bit.. Thanks Bruno, I appreciate the videos, I'll get to those later tonight. EDIT: now that I'm watching some of the video, one question popped to mind. What about when I'm recording everything in a project at 24 then I have some drum loops in that project which have been recorded at 16bit? I would guess if rendering at 24 or 32 it won't take away from the quality of the 16 bit drum loop. Well you have a good memory! I do use some Waves and IK Multimedia Plugs. The Abby Roads plugs from Waves are nice, but high on CPU. I also have the IK MM B-3 Organ, and that is definitely high on CPU. Their tech told me because they don't use samples, they use all math with that plug. I notice I save some CPU when I don't have the B-3 UI open. Once I get my sound I close that. But it is noticeably slowing things down when I have that in one of my projects, it would seem I have enough CPU to handle it, so maybe I need to look at either my RAM being low at 8GM, or my HDD that it could be affecting. This is a good example of what I was saying about these CPU hungry plugs, if I start loading these in, things get a little slow. The other thing I noticed is with some of the heavy plugs is that I need to change the ASIO from Normal to Relaxed to avoid audio dropout. That's ok if I'm just using a plug for playback, but if I'm recording and I set the ASIO to Relaxed, I get more latency and it puts a delay to my notes as I'm playing on my midi controller.
  15. I'm not sure what function of CW eat up RAM, but I think I'm going to up the RAM to at least 16GB if not more, because I also do a video project once in awhile, so it won't go to waste. I was wondering if the SSD drives come with different transfer rates, and I saw an article online that says they do. I'm not sure which to buy, but I would think the fastest one would be the way to go, as long as my motherboard is ok with it, which I have to find out. This older sample build on Partspicker website seems similar to the build I have now (minus the SSD drive and extra RAM). https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/PB6MnQ/entry-level-amd-gaming-build I like that the SSDs have come way down in price since the last time I checked. I'll likely go with 2 of them, one for OS and apps, the other for running my CW projects and video projects. Now to decide what size, I see they are mostly 1 or 2 TB, any advantage or disadvantage going with the bigger 2TB? I'm glad to hear they age well. Maybe I won't need to change out my motherboard or CPU this time around. My friend mentioned that 16 core processor not being too expensive, but I think I'd have to change the motherboard along with it, so it could get a little more expensive going that route. With the VSTs an audio FX plugs getting more and more CPU hungry I'm wondering if it would be wise to upgrade the CPU. Wow, that sounds great. Before you upgraded to your SSD drives, were you having any audio breakup/dropout issues because of the HDD? I know my Behringer mixer's audio drivers are not helping me, so that will be on the way out the door in the near future as well. Speaking of which, I never got a reply specific to my question about what the most common setting I should use for my Record and Render bit depth settings. I ask because I'm wondering if the settings I have now are causing problems with audio breakup. I know I'm off right now because mine are set to 16 Record, and 32 Render, doesn't seem right to me. My friend told me I should be at least 24 on Record, but base on my system specs, do you think I should I change the Render from 32 to 24 as well? The thing that is confusing is, for Rendering, if I'm going to go with basic CD quality wav file most of the time, (16bit 44,100).. isn't it necessary to set the Render rate at 16? Appreciate any insight on that. Thanks much!
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