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Guys, I found an almost perfect solution!

First, the clip needs to be aligned at the beginning. Second, enable AudioSnap for it and click "Copy as MIDI" from the AudioSnap palette, then paste it into a new MIDI track (Ctrl + V) at 1:01:000. Third, select this MIDI track and choose Process/Fit Improvisation from the menu.

Voila! A tempo map has been created. 🙂

And to get that clip with clicks for any song (as well as stems), you can use the Moises app. It has a Smart Metronome feature that gets the job done right most of the time.

Hi guys. I've been playing around with the great AudioSnap tool and need some help. 😍

I have a click track (audio, not midi) which is not very constant in tempo but perfectly aligned with live recording. Now I am trying to align measures (bars) to it. I use "Set Project From Clip" (Beat resolution) button to build tempos from 01:01:000 to the end of the clip (song). The clip is about 4 minutes long. And for the first 21 bars everything goes fine. But after that, the tempo sets are not built right.  The measures (bars) are starting to diverge from the audio.

That being said, Transient Markers (peaks) detected correctly (see screen), but for some reason Cakewalk refuses to adjust tempos further to stay aligned with markers... Is it by design or I am doing something wrong?

There is a neat slowdown at the end of bar 21 (I think it's called "ritenuto") after which the tempo restores during a bar or two to approximately original one. How can I persuade Cakewalk to adjust tempos in this area a bit more aggressively? :) Seems like there should be some sort of thresholds for this setting too (like the threshold for markers volume).

On 7/16/2023 at 3:52 PM, msmcleod said:

I can't see any way of doing this to be honest, even CAL doesn't give access to tempo entries.

Do you think there is a DAW (or MIDI editor like Sekaiju) in which this operation is possible? Steinberg products? Just curious.

On 7/16/2023 at 3:52 PM, msmcleod said:

Alternatively you could write your own utility... but it would require both programming experience and experience in reading/writing MIDI files.

Yes, in case of multiple files would be worth it. 

BTW, if I understand correctly, there is no difference in terms of signal and latency between Track Output and Track Send? Or are there some nuances that I should be aware of?

Thanks guys!!! Just for others looking for an answer to the same question, you should have said "Right click on the track -> Insert Send". That's it. 👍

The concept of "Sends" was new to me - never used it before in my (mostly MIDI related) work.

Hi, how can I output several audio tracks (backing play-along and VSTi) to 2 ASIO outputs simultaneously (one physical card with two distinct outputs 1-2 and 3-4)? And at the same time add Metronome to only one ASIO device (3-4 headphones). In short, having a Focusrite 2i4, I want to mix audio with Metronome to headphones, and play the clean audio tracks on the master output.

Please nudge me in a right direction! 🙂

On 6/23/2023 at 10:17 PM, reginaldStjohn said:

Are you running an old version of Sonar? That temp view has been changed in Cakewalk by Bandlab. It now has nodes and looks like an envelope. Much easier to change where things are.

Yes, I'm running 8.5. But I guess newer versions don't have the solution either.

On 6/27/2023 at 3:55 PM, Larioso said:

You should be able to do a CAL script to move the notes like that.

- so manually change time signature

- but nothing to make changes to tempo map AFAIK

I don't know CAL. To learn it from scratch right now is too complex. It's easier to manually move 350 tempos, especially if the results with CAL not guaranteed. Anyway thanks for advice!

Maybe there's another way to do what I want to do, but I can't figure out how.

I have a midi file where instrument track was incorrectly typed in 4/4 time signature bars where it should be 12/8. It sounds ok but looks terrible due to the fact everything is done in 8th and 16th triplets. I want to change it to 12/8 preserving everything else (notes, tempo changes and overall play time).

Greetings! Is it possible to shift (move) all tempos Start Times by 150% (or other margin)? Not the values, but their start times.

For example:
 

Tempo1 @ 1:01:000

Tempo2 @ 1:02:000

Tempo3 @ 1:03:000

...

Would become (at 480 ticks per beat resolution)

Tempo1 @ 1:01:000

Tempo2 @ 1:02:240

Tempo3 @ 1:04:000

...

The reason I want to do so is I have to change Meter (time signature) from 4/4 to 12/8 and Length of all notes by 150% (Start Times and Durations) to compensate it. I also have to change tempos proportionally (shift to new positions and increase 1.5x). And while Tempo values could easily be increased using Fit to Time instrument, I can't shift their start times...

Is it possible at all? Thank you.

17 hours ago, bvideo said:

The sysex shown is GS reset, meaning all patches are to be set to default? Then it must be the patches embedded per track in the file that are not being set properly. The post about reading banks maybe has a big clue. The instrument definition for the chosen synth has bank numbers and also an option that chooses how the bank number should be interpreted ("bank select method"). Perhaps the older versions of Pro Audio don't use that.

From the help pdf:

So check the bank numbers in your instrument definition file; also if it has "Controller 0 only", change it to one of the others & vice versa.

 

You are right. I checked Track properties just after midi file opening and that is how they look:

9.00

9.03

When I changed this from "Normal *" to "Controller 0" the problem has gone! Thank you.

So after 9.01-9.03 Cakewalk Pro Audio and its successors defaults Bank Select Method to "Normal *"? While other sequencers do not. Interesting...

BTW, I cant find Track properties in a current Cakewalk:

I remember such a thing was in SONARs v7 and 8, which I used most, and now it's gone. Docs say look in the "Instrument tree". Ah.. Where it is? )

I checked Sysx view but it gave me nothing. Both in 9.00 and 9.03 they look exactly the same:

9.00

9.03

UPDATE:

Talked to one guy, he said (quote):

Quote

It's about how to read banks)

 

There are two standards:

Instruments 0-127 in bank 0

Instruments 0-127 in bank 1

Instruments 0-127 in bank 2

Instruments 0-127 in bank 3

Instruments 0-127 in bank 4

 

And there is such a standard:

Instruments 0-127 in bank 0 

Instruments 0-127 in bank 128 

Instruments 0-127 in bank 256 

Instruments 0-127 in bank 384 

Instruments 0-127 in bank 512

 

And modern cakes work according to the second standard) so this is the difference)

honestly I did not understand it... comments?

In attempts to discover nature of this problem I went down to Cakewalk Pro Audio! And here it is:

Current Cakewalk 2021.01 build 085 - exists

SONAR Platinum  v23.10 - exists

SONAR 1.3.1 (build 2001.10) - exists

Cakewalk Pro Audio 9.03 (build 2000.03) - exists

Cakewalk Pro Audio 9.00 (build 1999) - TA-DA!! Works OK!

Cakewalk Pro Audio 8.00 (build 1998) - Works OK too!

Somewhere between Cakewalk Pro Audio 9.00 and 9.03 were introduced changes that maybe broke SysEx data sending in some scenarios and still present to day. How could possible be so? Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get 9.01 and 9.02 stand-alone patches, otherwise I would investigate precisely when this happened.

Any other current midi software players and DAWs work as expected and do not expose this problem. These includes Cakewalk Pro Audio 9.00 and earlier, Windows Media Player, vanBasco's Karaoke Player, Sekaiju (open source MIDI sequencer) and even just hitting F3 in Total Commander.

This bug exists on a latest Cakewalk too. (2021.01 build 085)

I forgot to add that I use "Roland Sound Canvas VA" (SCVA) soft synth via loopMIDI driver (https://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/loopmidi.html). So it is seen to SONAR as a real hardware (MIDI Out ), i am not using it like VSTi internally.

First I thought that it is may be a bug in loopMIDI. but, as I said,  other apps play it well. Problem only in SONAR.

Hi, I have a midi file (attached) that is playing incorrectly in SONAR Platinum 23.10 and all previous versions too. It has some SysEx data dedicated to Roland SC-55 synthesizer (I use software Roland Sound Canvas VA synth). SONAR asks me on opening "This file contains System Exclusive data designed to be sent automatically to your MIDI gear. Do you want to send it now?". I choose OK and then play - but midi sounds wrong! The same midi file on the same PC on the same synth being played by WMP or Van Basco's Karaoke MIDI player or any other (non Cakewalk) player plays good, with instrument patches altered as intended.

Is it bug?

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