Bruno de Souza Lino

I've been running into this issue quite frequently as described by the title. Cakewalk really doesn't seem to be capable of making looped events which are in odd measures.

For example, here's a measure in 19/8 I'm trying to make a looped pattern of:

With it selected as it is and making sure it completes the measure, performing `Ctrl+L` to loop it results in Cakewalk removing the last 8th note of the measure:

If I try to prevent this behavior by creating the loop by selecting one extra note of the next measure, it will simply ignore that and clip the last 8th note as it that selection didn't exist.

If I extend the event to include that extra 8th note with the provision it will be clipped once the loop it's made, that empty 8th note space is added as part of the loop. WTF:

If I make that a two bar pattern, it makes the loop normally. WTF #2:

Considering the complication Cakewalk already impinges upon you if you want to deal with multiple time signature changes, why looping a pattern in that format is inconsistent like that? Why does it clip the last note of a measure even when it's not invading the next measure? Why does it add an empty note space when you go over?

9 hours ago, mettelus said:

I actually like "scalloped" boards as well, but I achieve this via the tallest bass frets rather than touching the board. They do require a bit more finesse to play because finger pressure alone will cause slight bends and this is more dramatic the lighter the string gauge is. The range makes more sense for the design now, but when I sit back and think, "Would I ever actually use that though?" the answer is no. The extended fretboard is the only feature unique to that guitar (other than price) that cannot be easily replicated with custom work.

I think a better range which doesn't require this crazy fingerboard with awkward fret divisions could be accomplished by using a 9 string guitar, tuning it one step down then replacing the bottom C# with a high G. If possible adding 27-29 frets. That should cover the vast majority of tuning range across guitars in theory. I don't have the funds to buy a 9 string and try that, but that's the idea.

7 hours ago, Bapu said:

This is more like the one I saw Uli play live. He fiddled with those knob on the top alot. God some pretty wicked sounds I tells ya.

 

On these new Sky Guitar models, the top knobs control some DSP effects like wah, delay, a looper and so on.

6 hours ago, Grem said:

I believe he does play them. But I have to wonder... looking at the neck it appears to me from the pics, that the neck is scalloped? And I say this because the last few frets don't have any fingerboard underneath them.

Yes. All frets on his Sky Guitar are scalloped. The fret number varies from one guitar to the other (which is a clear display of quality control when you're selling a guitar which costs the price of a car), but they usually have 30-34 frets: 27 normal frets and the last 3-5 are divided as whole tone instead of semi tones. Because of the amount of fretboard the guitar has, the neck pickup is under the last bit of the fretboard.

Here's a video of Uli himself explaining it:

While I do think the electronics and extended range are cool, this has to be one of the ugliest guitars I've ever seen. And considering how expensive it is, it has that look and feel of something being made by a shady gypsy which is trying to pull your leg and your wallet.

19 minutes ago, Jeslan said:

You keep repeating and repeating "Demucs" and "Spleeter" like if this tool was actually directly related, gravitating around or simply purposely created for using the Demucs model. And that is the thing, UVR is NOT about Demucs, demucs is just one more of all the AI models it supports. It's a bonus for the few people that may be interested in that model.

There is a reason why the tool is actually called "Ultimate Vocal Remover" and the default AI model it uses is "MDX-Net". It is a tool for isolating and removing vocals, literally. And in that subject it excels and is a night and day difference from other tools or other models like demucs and spleeter. You simply can't start saying "MDX is better than Demucs and Spleeter" (when it is an order of magnitude better, not simply just better), only to give next some absurd negative critique followed by an "it is not as useful", specially when the most important job and interest people always had has been to remove or isolate vocals from instrumentals. Seriously, you simply can't.

If you don't actually have enough deep knowledge about the tool or how to get the best out of it it is just as easy as to don't say anything, if the problem is that it is a tool that is not suited for your workflow or is not suited for the kind of work or objective you are looking for, the same apply or just say it is a tool not suited for you and the reasons why.

But please, stop giving negative unuseful critique and strong false opinions just for the sake of it regarding something that really can be mindblowing and incredibly useful for so many people in here. (Of course the same critique applies to everyone and everything, not just you and this specific tool).

I sense someone may have some AI-driven agenda, especially when a response to a post which was primarily my opinion in regards to how I use the tool has this level of pedantry and condescending statements. I hope whoever asked you to shill is paying you well, cause I don't earn anything to state my opinions.

22 minutes ago, Jeslan said:

Just for the sake of other people that may not know, all demucs and spleeter can separate beyond vocals and instrumental are piano and drums. It's not that it can separate every single element of a track. Piano separation is not particularly useful with the exception of a few people that may be specially interested in it. Drum track could be for a lot more people. But if that is the case and the only interest, UVR (Ultimate Vocal Removal) is not going to offer much more (in terms of quality) than easy of usage, instead of manually installing and running models like Demucs. Again, this tool is intended and specialized in vocal extraction/removing which is where it shines. Maybe there is or will be a UDR (Ultimate Drum Removal or something of the like) , as the same AI technology could be trained and specialized just for that "easily" too.

And, if you actually read what I wrote with more attention, you'd figure I was talking about MDX-NET, not Spleeter or Demucs.

23 minutes ago, Jeslan said:

Also for the sake of knowledge and accuracy I will comment on this. I must say this information isn't entirely accurate either and it requires some explaining. For instance, in my computer back then (which had a CPU with a phenom x4 1090T from 2010) it took a couple of minutes mostly. But that wouldn't be accurate alone either for the next reason, I had a Nvidia GTX 1060 GPU (from 2016). This tool uses neural networks artificial intelligence, which is a technology extremely demanding in terms of computational power. In fact it is an entire miracle we are able to run so much of it in consumer hardware nowadays. Many of this technology was and still is suitable to be run on  incredibly pricey supercomputers only (like it happens with ChatGPT for instance). Thing is gaming cards are able to make the same kind of computational work than those super computers but in a smaller scale (specially in relation to the very small RAM available on the consumer graphic cards).

Any more trivia you want to impart into people before they get bored of being patronized?

26 minutes ago, Jeslan said:

So in a few words, if you have a nvidia gaming card (laptop or desktop) you will be able to run extraction with this tool from seconds to few minutes depending the graphic card (just make sure you select GPU). I don't know the exact case for AMD and the new Intel Arc graphic cards in the exact case of this tool but I know they can be put to work too although it may require in the worst case having computer engineering knowledge and using some tutorials from the internet.

The ones that don't have a suitable graphic card are forced to use the computer's CPU which will take a lot more time (which depends on the CPU), like for instance the numbers told back there (in the case of an ensemble).

Anyway, even with a CPU, a single vocal extraction shouldn't take more than 10 min max if I recall right.

So, you weren't content with the first paragraph and had to summarize what you already said?

In the future, I'd advise you made use of the AI tools you like with such passion to write your posts for you. They'll come out shorter and straight to point and with less patronizing, condescension and pedantry.

2 hours ago, TheSteven said:

then, to be blunt, that's a self inflicted injury.

The first thing that you should do when buying used gear is (if applicable) register it to yourself and if you can't then immediately get a refund.

The vast majority of physical products out there, audio or otherwise, do not require any form of registration so you can download drivers or companion software necessary for said product to work and thus, the practice of registering a physical product in order to have access to said features is an exception, especially for products which do not require a computer to work, like a synth or effects pedals.

2 hours ago, TheSteven said:

That IKM uses a printed serial number that is different than the serial number on the device is 'special'.  I would hope that if the paper # was lost that they could look up the # based on the number on the device but never had to test that.

The serial printed in the product is not the product's serial number and cannot be used as such. The actual serial number of the product is in the card that comes with it.

2 hours ago, TheSteven said:

If I'm shelling out significant $$ for audio equipment (guitar, keyboard, audio interface) I try to (re)register it with manufacturer if for no other reason in case it gets stolen (or turns out to be stolen).   That being said there's a lot of gear for which there is no tracking or registration.

But that's not the problem. The problem happens when you have to jump through hoops in case you want to sell the equipment in the future. You now have to store boxes and crap that came with the product. Invariably, you'll forget that only IKM works that way because none of the other products you have are like that, then that will come to bite you once you decide to sell it or buy it used from someone which made the same mistake.

13 minutes ago, TheSteven said:

^pretty sure that the hardware drivers are available under IKM Product Manager.

If you don't register your hardware, no driver downloads will show in your account. And since the serial for the product is in a card which can easily be lost instead of being on the physical product, you're begging for users to be led into mistakes.

On 7/31/2023 at 7:11 PM, Jeslan said:

I was actually not talking about Demucs but the default UVR model unique to it, not sure but I think it's MDX-Net?? THAT AI separation model IS way way better than spleeter and demucs. That is the one I was saying was night and day. If I don't recall wrong that model is actually trained by the creator of the app (among some others for his patreon supporters).

I think I still have the telegram files I send to show a friend of mine how mind blown and excited I was, using a 10 sec fragment of the anime opening I was watching back then.

Damn, it was already in november last year, that's quite a lot more than just a few months. Anyway.... the original fragment:

https://app.box.com/s/f8g41psi73741ghrxm43dschabdrb4f6

This is the vocal track isolated with spleeter:

https://app.box.com/s/3ilhhdogkimh0jsapgozbwa3y06pcebj

This is the vocal track isolated using the default MDX-Net model I was mentioning:

https://app.box.com/s/bx3r5r629u3z494ou6eub1swl5tk6mz9

And this is the instrumentals with the vocals removed from the previous vocal isolation, which sounds literally like it never ever had any vocals over it in the first place:

https://app.box.com/s/61rg42cu9n5vi5rahulavvqsrvjl5ptw

Sadly I don't have the instrumental audio from spleeter but it sounded really awful.

Thing is, if this is not night and day difference and completely mind blowing I don't know what actually would be.

I also remember doing some more testing from something way more extreme with some Children of Bodom's Hatebreeder album songs (as I am not a fan of that kind of voice but love the instrumentals) and while It was obviously not as good extracting and removing those vocals it was still a completely mind blowing result taking into account it was death metal sound and a voice barely recognizable as human. In fact when I put both the vocal and instrumental tracks together on a daw and lowered the vocal track volume (by a lot) I was actually able to achieve 100% what I was actually looking for.

 

 

Yes, the separation in MDX is better than that of Demucs and Spleeter, but it only separates vocals from instrumental, which makes it not as useful. Granted that could be circumvented by Using UVR's  "Ensemble Mode" and operating multiple models, but that already makes an operation which is not fast (My separation times for songs of varying length tend to be around 40-50 minutes) into something even slower.

2 minutes ago, Technostica said:

The drivers for NI hardware are freely available.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/support/downloads/drivers-other-files/

The Maschine software is licensed and can be transferred for free by the registered owner. They also sell the software by itself and the same goes for that.  No drama unless you are ignorant about how software licensing works.

You don't even have that option with IK. If the owner doesn't transfer the license to you, you can't even download drivers for the product, let alone software for it.

12 hours ago, User 905133 said:

When people pay the transfer fee, doesn't that cover the cost of adding the S/N and registration to the buyer's account?

The only other company which does that is Native Instruments for their Maschine. The only legal way to obtain their drivers and software is by tracking the original owner and having them initiate a license transfer, which may or may not be impossible depending on how much of the original contents of the box (including the card with the product's serial number, which is printed on the product itself in every other product out there). No other hardware selling company does that because of how anti-customer this practice is. And that's for  almost every single piece of hardware IK makes.

This video is an obligatory watch for every Apple owner.

Another issue also included iOS monitoring the battery life of your iPhone, then introducing random system slowdowns if it was old enough just to force you to upgrade, regardless of the conditions of the battery.

On 5/5/2023 at 9:25 PM, kitekrazy said:

Their authorization still needs work.   I can download my sounds from the app but not on my webpage.   Support told me to authorize and I only did it 7 times.  It asks me to reactivate my downloads for Syntronik 2.   Policy borders between stupid and shove it up your *****.

Wait until you buy their hardware and you'll see the fun to be had. For starters, the product's serial number is not on the product itself, but in a card that comes with it. without it, you cannot download drivers or software necessary for the product to work. Great strategy for screwing up with people that buy used gear.

I think the whole thing is a bit confusing. Do we have to buy something then apply the code or it's just adding it to the cart? Because if the latter, why the post title is "free with purchase?"

There's only two pieces of amp history which interests me.

One is the Metasonix G-1000 *****ing *****er Amp, which I can't show the panel of for reasons you'll see if you look for it, due to David Lovelace's artwork of it and the  control labels. Essentially, Eric Barbour took a bog standard tube amp and every circuit where a tube could be placed regardless of function has a tube, giving the amp a total of 21 tubes. The amp runs so hot that it shuts itself down after two hours of use. When it first launched, only a limited run of them were made and sold for around 5k a pop. Trent Reznor was one of the people which bought one according to Eric.

The other is the Mojave Dirty Boy, which was a limited run of 25 of what technically would be considered Blues Sarraceno's signature amp. Think EVH is cool? He didn't have a built-in Variac in his modded Plexi...

And of course, the 200W Fender Dual Showman, which some would call The Dick Dale Amp, with the custom 2x15 cabinet with custom JBL speakers with aluminum caps:

6 hours ago, craigb said:

But, how could Mark track everything you do using those apps??! 😮

The same way any Lizardman like him does.

2 hours ago, msmcleod said:

You make an arranger track the active one by clicking its header.   Right clicking on the inspector "A"  tab icon will list all of the sections in the active arrangement allowing you to jump directly to it.

 

I know about that. I was talking about a way to switch between them without using the mouse.

So, is this a new product using the MusicGen algorithm? Because you can make use of that quite easily either using the HuggingFace demo or the Collab Notebook.

15 hours ago, Sheens said:

personally prefer a meet/greet with KISS for only $ 4000

also getting my pic on Gene's bass for only $ 7495

ofcourse getting his bass for just $ 17500

https://www.genesimmonsaxe.com/meet-gene-on-tour/

sorry Grem for abusing  yer fred.....I'll toss off now..

And the most hilarious part is...Even if you buy all of that, it will still cost less than a single Sky Guitar.

https://www.sky-guitars.com/

Also, you can only display 8 arranger tracks at most, even if you have more of them.

I'd rather have a Dual Showman Reissue over whatever that is.

I'm afraid to watch this and half of the interview is Rick repeatedly asking about real pianos versus plugins.

Apart for the whole grammar pedantry aspect of the post, the current issue with programs like Synthesizer V is it takes a considerable amount of work to make them sound good. Much like AI algorithms, they're made for people that use them by people that use them. They're unintuitive both in terms of workflow and interface and documentation is non existent. The fact it still is a niche product made for people that want artificial voices means innovation is slow and not many improvements have been made so far since the instruction of the first Vocaloid 20 years ago.

As per guitar, that depends. While some aspects of guitar have been successfully sampled in some products, there are still things you can't emulate properly not because you can't sample them, but because the controllers and interfaces you have available are not capable of giving you control over those aspects to the point you could render convincing results. A good example of that would be fretting. In a real guitar you can vary the pressure on the frets you're fingering and that's independent from the dynamics of your playing. How are you gonna interface that with a keyboard? Even in an MPE controller, you'll still have the same problem.

A solution for that started with IK and their MODO Bass, which are still limited in some control aspects but give you way more control using synthesis instead of logarithmically increasing library sizes just to add one extra aspect to the sound.

If these are recurring, then you'd need some sort of triage. Usually, spam bots die down when your registration has to be manually enabled by forum staff. Another way which is more work and would slow down the forums considering would be what Black Magic does, which is each post has to be approved.

8 hours ago, craigb said:

Do we need to do a "Go Fund Me" to get Michael a larger screen?  😆

(I use a 40" 4k TV that cost me less than $400 and have the display set at 125% outside of any app, so I never need to zoom in inside a browser.)

Please don't tell we also need a 4K display to view the forums properly. I don't have the funds to afford a Samsung Galaxy or Xperia 1 V.