Hugh Mann

Just now, Grem said:

I have already stated:

  

 

Not attacking. Just calling BS when I see it. If you can't handle that I suggest you use the function of this forum that allows you to hide posts from people you don't want to see.

I don’t need to block people.  That is soooo mean girls lol. How do you know it’s  bs unless you have first hand experience? Also, I’m not the only one saying this. Seems kind of trolling. And mean.

2 minutes ago, Fleer said:

Huge Man and the Mean Girls

Love this movie. 
Anyway, it’s a disk swap thing indeed. 
Which is why I’m getting a 16GB M1. 
Don’t want my SSD to die on me in a week. 

I think I’m the weirdo, gothic-ey one,  in this scenario. but she has the heart of gold, lol. The issue of disk swapping has come up over this.  In some  forum, review , or video, someone calculated that it would take ten years for them to die.  Unknown for now, of course,  but I wouldn’t worry about that.  And the 16gb machine swaps just as much.  Maybe a few hairs less, from what I’ve read. No first hand experience with a 16gb one. 

7 minutes ago, Grem said:

Seems your on a quest to prove it. That's another story.....

 

Nope. You never really understood the claims. May want to re-read his posts. : )

You don’t have an m1 or have ever tested one, correct?  So then what are you really contributing, other than attacking me? I have first hand experience.  Try it and then come back and be as mean girls as you want. But you know, in that movie,  the mean girls didn’t win, lol. 

14 minutes ago, Jim Roseberry said:

I'm not spreading any misinformation whatsoever.

You might want to look closer at the picture in my above post.

That is from a M1 mini that has 16GB RAM.

 

Bottom line is that you're not going to be doing anything serious with 8GB RAM.

The OS and one standalone Kontakt instance with The Grandeur and you're already above 8GB of RAM used.

You are assuming that 8gb isn’t enough. Till you try it, and I have, you won’t really know.  And the misinformation part is saying that an 8gb m1 won’t be able to load more than or just one instance of grandeur. It certainly will and much more.  They disk swap like crazy.  During my testing, I never went over 7gb. It was odd, but,again,a different architecture 

5 minutes ago, Doug Rintoul said:

Colour me skeptical, but I find it hard to believe you were able to do all this on an 8 GB M1. 20 Kontakt instances on top of over 100 tracks? Pictures or it didn't happen. When Fleer gets his M1, he will be able to confirm your findings. 

I do not blame you for being skeptical.  It’s amazing and impressive results.  I didn’t document my results because I didn’t know that seven months later I’d be attacked,  lol. But there are many, many videos and reviews out there that confirm what I’ve been saying. Myself, I will get a 16 gb machine. Just for future proofing and I may want to get into video.  But I would have been more than fine with 8gb for all that I do or could foreseeably be wanting to do in the near future. 

18 minutes ago, Paul Young said:

 

Some of use mean middle school girls on this forum use desktops that we've built.  I've built a 9900K system for the M1 price and no soldering required.  I do think it's great that Apple went full blown proprietary.   Too bad they are still pricey.

Well, pricey is relative.  To me, with the M1, they are a bargain.  Other than the ram and hd, of course. But you get a beautiful screen, excellent build  and top of the line components.    I actually used to agree that macs where at overpriced and underpowered.  I’ve always built my own or bought pc  laptops. I have many.  I’ve actually been building computers since 2000. 

23 minutes ago, Grem said:

No. I don't need to. I know how to read. I also can comprehend what I read. 

I read the posts of a reputable man stating facts. May want to read Jim's posts again, as I suggested to you before.

I wouldn’t boast about your comprehension  skills just yet. He tested a 16gb ram one and I’m talking about an8gb one.  I am right, regardless if it hurts some of your feelings that I corrected these claims. 

5 minutes ago, Grem said:

Most believable thing you've said in this thread! : )

Glad you approve. Have you tried an 8gb m1 Mac?  If not then it’s you trolling with nothing to add. Come on lads. Test it!

19 minutes ago, antler said:

The m1 sounds amazing - why would you return a computer that can load an instrument containing 5.26GB (compressed)/13.7GB (uncompressed) sample data (which is the size of the actual sample data, irrespective of the CPU's instruction set), as well as all those other instruments into 8GB system RAM,  and continue running smoothly at low latencies? Sounds like a great DAW; wouldn't it have been better to hold onto it, and then upgrade/trade up when the next version comes out? Can you remember which other instruments (you mentioned strings, horns, guitars, piano, and vocals) you loaded into Kontakt?

* https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keys/the-grandeur/

I returned it because I wanted a 16 inch. And I though the new version would be released in March.  Then I waited till June. Now I have to wait till November hopefully. I don’t remember what exact vst  I used.    But the kontakt stuff was orange tree guitars and the stuff included in komplete  11.  Plug ins where mostly divas it’s some plug in alliance and a few others.  If you are considering one, depending on your needs, an 8gb model should be more than fine, if one is trying to avoid the apple tax. 

12 minutes ago, Fleer said:

snarky

You realize that quoting me and replying as you have, is also snarky? What a bunch of snarky dudes. Me included, lol

Try it with an 8gb m1 machine.  You will see all I’m saying is true.  Or make your snarky 12 y/o mean girls comments lol. I know because I’ve used it. first hand. Until  one of you, even the expert, does that,  then you are  all speculating.,  and actually spreading false info. geez. 

Try it on an 8gb m1 Mac like I did.  I actually have first hand experience with an 8gb machine.  Seems like none of you, even the expert, gave that experience.  

46 minutes ago, Fleer said:

He just did?

Not if he’s making that claim. One instance of grandeur will not use 8gb of ram on an m1.  I think he’s assuming based on x86 architecture.  

21 minutes ago, antler said:

So in your opinion, do you think you could comfortably run a project that uses Spitfire Audio's BBCSO Core/Pro on an M1 mac with 8GB RAM?

Sorry, I no longer have an m1. Returned it. Waiting for the new versions. And I also don’t have that software.  I don’t remember the specifics of my testing, but I have kontakt and diva and a bunch of other plug ins. I purposely tested the ram by loading line 20 kontakt instances. Strings, horns, guitars, piano, vocals,battery,session drummer…all ran fine. This was on top of  over a hundred tracks. diva, and a bunch of other plug ins. Also threw a bunch of fx on each track.  Oh and it was 96khz,64 buffer. Uad interface. All silent and barely warm. I finally got it to crack when I also had a video editing program open and a few safari tabs.  It is an impressive machine. Leaves intel and amd in the Stone Age. 

56 minutes ago, Fleer said:

So this means that, if you’re using sample libraries of some largesse, 16GB of RAM is in order. If you’re getting an Apple M1 and have to choose between upgrading to 16GB of RAM or to 512GB of SSD, better the former that the latter, as that will limit virtual memory disk swapping and you can always add an external NVMe SSD. 

Not necessarily. Depends on use, of course and It’s a different architecture.  Can’t apply x86 rules. 16gb is better for future proofing, or video editing.   But I was amazed at how much you can do with 8gb. I had to really create insane projects and push it in ways I wouldn’t normally.  Watch the videos. It’s been out for 7 months now. Lots of info out there already.  

1 hour ago, Jim Roseberry said:

FWIW, None of those virtual-instruments are using deep-sampled libraries.

Single instance of The Grandeur (Kontakt standalone - no DAW application open) puts Mac Mini well over 8GB RAM.

This is incorrect with an m1. You really should test one yourself before you go spreading false information.  M1 can easily handle the grandure and way more.  

27 minutes ago, Jim Roseberry said:

Speed:

• PCIe 4.0 NVMe currently sustains ~7GB/Sec
• DDR4 sustains ~20-25GB/Sec

Response Time:

• NVMe is ~0.05ms
• DDR4 is ~0.00005ms

NVMe is sequential (not Random Access like RAM)

While NVMe drives are fast... they're not a good substitute for RAM.

There is no magic/voodoo with machines.

Slower hardware means slower performance.

 

The M1 MacBook Air is passive-cooled.

 

 

proof is in the pudding.  watch the videos.  they use the ssd to cache a lot more than x86.  so that makes up for the low ram.  Still,  i would get 16gb myself.  for future proofing.  So im not arguing for 8gb.  im just saying it is enough,  surprisingly.   Amazing machines.  Having had an 8gb one myself,  I can say that I was difficult  to make it crack.  only after insane amounts of ez drummer,  kontakt, diva,  etc..,  plus having video editing program open and a bunch of safari tabs.  anything I could think of to try to make it crack.  I purposely tried to use up ram as much as possible to see if 8gb was enough.  And it was! And yes,  Air are passive and Pro have fans.  But,  in the videos,  even the passive performed spectacularly.  Like I said,  apple did it right this time.  They deserve credit for finally ending the high performance=high heat and power draw of intel and AMD chips.  I am looking forward to what apple brings next.  

there are  lots of videos that prove that 8 gb is plenty enough on an M1 mac.  They use the very fast ssd as a sort of ram.  Its a different architecture than x86. Like I said,  it changes all the laptop facts we all assumed where set in stone. BTW,  the M1 macbook pro has a fan.  I barely heard it come on when i was super stress testing it.  and it was really quite.  i had to put my ear right up to it to hear anything.   Check out the videos.    

m1 macbook 8gb daw - YouTube

MacBook Pro M1 2021 8GB vs 16GB? Memory for Music Production - YouTube

I had an m1 MacBook Pro .  I got 8 gab ram,  256 hd .   I was surprised,  but the 8gb ram was no issues at all.  The 256 hd is barely enough,  but will do.  external hd are not that expensive and fast.  I stress tested it with ridiculous amounts of plugs ins and Kontakt.  As well as diva and a variety of vst instruments.  Even a bunch of safari tbs and other organs open.  What an amazing machine.  It changed the way I use laptops.  We are used to accepting the fact that if you actually use your laptop for real work,  it will drain the battery and get super loud and  hot.  Not with an m1 Mac.  You can run the denses project and  it will keep up,  no problem.   With it silent and barely warm at all.  Work on real projects anywhere.  
 

I returned it because I’m waiting for the next version and I want a 16 inch screen.  Was hoping it would be release soon but looks like we have to wait till at least November.  Apple really hit it out of the park this time.  It used to be that they where underpowered and overpriced.  They are still expensive,  but they deliver on the power.  Intel and AMD  are way behind now.  

32 minutes ago, Monomox said:

that's not how I read the (scant) available information, but I agree with you. I got a couple of free plugins authorized through iLok's cloud, which means you have to be online 100% of the time if you want to use them, and that just ruins it for me. It's stupid.

However, the BFD guy, Amberience, said that the next version will address "Expansion packs not being available when offline." Why would they address such a thing if they intended BFD not to run offline?

going off this post: 

Yes it was pretty terrible. A support agent told me that the developers are set upon the online model and I think that it is up to all BFD users to complain about this. I live out in the country and the internet often drops out. A great many musicians work upon projects with the internet off.

It to me ages to get BFD 3.3 back to a useable state and even now there are some kits that just won't appear properly.

 

And also  this: 

I've raised it. Will follow up once I know more.

Amberience while you are here what is the official position about using BFD3.4 offline. Is this a thing? Or is it a by-product of licensing issues. I have to say that I will move on if online working is here to stay.

Seems like this was done on purpose.  really terrible idea for a pro product.  If no one has an issue with it,  or not enough people, then it seems like they will stick with this.  Hence my suggestion for more people to let them know that needing to be online  is just crazy.  

 

so it seems,  from reading the the links posted,  that the need to be on the internet to use the program is intended.  I've never owned software that was only able to be used if one was online.  That's kind of absurd.  And actually renders this software useless to me,  as I want to use it in live settings.  No internet at a gig.  Maybe some random hotspot.  But that's ridiculous.  Especially for a pro product like this. Can you imagine having to explain to the band that the reason you cant play drums is cause your cant get a wifi signal?   Definitely takes the shine off this bargain.  I opened a support ticket requesting offline authorization, but haven't heard anything.  Maybe if enough people complain about this,  they will back down from this.  

2 hours ago, jackson white said:

Can only hope this is a classic darkness before the dawn scenario, but BFD3  will not even launch unless your internet is connected.

- The standalone blinks and disappears. No message or clue of any kind.

- An existing instance in a project displays a dialog saying "unauthorized" and I need to rerun the License Manager. Which I had to do even after reconnecting my internet connection. 

....

BFD has been by far my preferred VST for drums and would love to see them succeed, but this is so mindboggling clueless, I don't know what to say. 

I'm working on rolling back and will be looking for opinions and experience with SD3 in the "Instruments & Effects". 

same issue here.   what a bummer.  i dont want to have to be online to use the software. thats crazy.  When I tried to authorize offline,  its not possible.  Reading all the documentation points to a work off line button.  however,  that button does not exist.  I see no other way to authorize offline.  bummer.  Sounds great though and im happy to have it for so cheap.  But this part sucks.  what are they thinking?

this is a no brainer for sure! Ive  wanted to get bfd3,  but I didnt want to spend $300 for it.   I've had BFD eco for many years,  but dont use it. I think I got it for $20 or something very low.   So, for only $50, you get BFD3 and $384 worth of additional packs.  That's a pretty good deal!  You have to jump through a few hoops,  but not too bad.  Thanks to the info already provided on this thread, I was able to get it all going relatively ez.  

On 1/27/2021 at 7:54 AM, Starise said:

I believe I picked up on the same things as Treesha. The fast arps don't seem to fit. At least when backdropped onto this backdrop. Keep in mind I'm am old 70's prog rock lover. I would hear more of a played solo instead of the fast arps. But that's me and maybe my old ears. There are no rules, only opinions and what we like

Thank you for checking it out.  Appreciate it.  I love me some prog myself.  Thanks for the advice.  I do think the keys are a little static.  So I think you are right in what you are feeling there.  I'll keep working on it.  :)

Thank you all for taking the time to listen and give great feedback.  I'll work on a new version and post again when done.  :)