Jim Roseberry

2 hours ago, Fleer said:

Sure must hurt to see Apple take the creative world by storm  

Yeah, I'm quaking in my boots (and have been for nearly 30 years).

So... you want to add another M.2 SSD for your 3rd Samples drive?

PC user:  Adds first, second, and 3rd M.2 SSD internally.

Mac user:  Yeah, I'm gonna need three Thunderbolt enclosures for my M.2 SSDs.  🤣

"Taking The Creative World By Storm... one tether at a time... and with amazing performance... until you compare it to a real workstation."

1 hour ago, Fleer said:

I’m thinking laptops, which is where the M1 shines. Meanwhile the M1 Ultra smokes the desktop competition

And the new Mac Pro hasn’t even arrived yet!

M1 Ultra...   🤣

Like playing tetherball with dangling peripherals.

AMD and Intel are slugging it out for "workstation" superiority.

11 hours ago, Fleer said:

They smoke alright. Like a heatwave

5950x and 12900k based DAWs can run both cool and extremely quiet.

All down to who's building/configuring...

12900k based machine (from which I'm writing this post) is currently running in the low 30s degrees Celcius.

5 hours ago, Craig N said:

I'm not sure if the performance really lines up with the claims, but if they're right that the GPU performance is broadly on par with a GeForce RTX 3090 that should be factored into the value equation... those GPUs are not cheap! 

Remember early claims that the M1 would blow all other CPUs out of the water... including the 5950x and 12900k.  

12900k and 5950x smoke the M1.

Unless you're running a mess of a machine, Windows 10 does not crash constantly.

Why in the world would one choose to move to Linux as a serious DAW platform?

It's like taking a 20-year step backward in time.

What advantage would it offer?

Running Windows 10, we have machines capable of yielding 1ms total round-trip latency.

Running Windows 10, we have machines capable of delivering 4000 simultaneous stereo voices of disk-streaming polyphony.

We currently reap the benefits of ~30 years of PC DAW development.

I put Linux based DAWs in the same light as building a Hackintosh.

Sure... it's a "technical-puzzle" that can be fun to solve... but it's not a real Mac.

A Linux based DAW is decades behind in infrastructure/development/support/etc. 

It's just not worth a developer's time/effort... to develop something that's lacking from the start... and has limited profitability.

Oberheim, Moog, and Linn created some amazing musical tools.

Never met Oberheim or Moog... 

Got to meet Roger Linn at GearFest several years back.

Roger himself demonstrated the Linnstrument.  It was great to be able thank him for all he's done.

14 minutes ago, RSMcGuitar said:

I've heard these drums are Trey Cool.

LOL!  

I see what you did there.

On 2/16/2022 at 9:23 AM, Paul Young said:

I don't like forfeiting the SATA ports to use them.

FWIW, Some motherboards forfeit SATA port/s... others don't.

You can also put a M.2 NVMe SSD on a PCIe host controller card. 

That PCIe host card has be be placed in a slot with at least 4 PCIe lanes.

You can get PCIe host cards that hold two or four M.2 NVMe drives.

If two, then the card needs 8 PCIe lanes.  If four, then the card needs 16 PCIe lanes.

(Each NVMe drive requires 4 PCIe lanes for maximum performance)

16 hours ago, jesse g said:

OK, I bit the bullet and purchased the Warm Audio WA73-EQ to replaced my Dead Presonus Eureeka. 

Thanks everyone for giving me good advice, but my decision came down to sound and price, plus some goodies that was added along with the purchase. (4 Mic cables,  2 instrument cables and one floor surge protector). 

I'm a a sucker for freebies

 

You'll be glad you got the version with EQ.

Just enabling the inductor EQ will give a small bump in the upper-mids (even with EQ completely flat).

NVMe now comes in two flavors:

• PCIe 3.0 (good drives sustain ~3500MB/Sec)
• PCIe 4.0 (good drives sustain ~7000MB/Sec)

Only recent make machines support PCIe 4.0.

If you have something like Spectrasonics Keyscape, the C7 Yamaha Grand loads ***REALLY*** slow.

Using a fast m.2 SSD helps mitigate this.

22 hours ago, jesse g said:

However, 4K is a bit too steep for my budget..., but I so much like your taste in equipment 👍👍

FWIW, I was just using my channels strips as a point of reference.

I actually meant between the two choices you listed (ISA Two and WA273).  😉

I'd go with the ISA Two as it's $100 less than the WA273.

Everything has gone up in cost.

Got the Shelford channel at GearFest (several years back) and I want to say it was under $3000.

Still not cheap... but not what it is currently.

FWIW, I've got Neve Shelford, Neve Portico-II, and two Warm Audio WA273-EQ channels strips.

The Warm units aren't quite the same level as a real Neve... but they're pretty good.

QC isn't as tight as with a real Neve. 

One of my WA273-EQ units, developed an issue that sounded like ground noise... but it was the unit itself (not a ground loop).

Had to get it swapped out.

Haven't had any issues since.

Comparing side-by-side with my Neve preamps and a Neve 8816 Summing mixer, the WA273-EQ has similar character (round/full, detailed, not harsh in the upper mids).

The ISA Two is a nice preamp.

It's not going to impart as much character as something like the Shelford... but it's a lot more affordable.

Focusrite QC is tighter than Warm Audio.

Can't go too far wrong with either choice.

If you're not wanting the 1073 type inductive EQ (WA273-EQ), I'd opt for the ISA Two.

It's $100 less...

1 hour ago, Paul_in_wales said:

@Jim: Why do you feel empowered to reframe the definition of professional so favorably narrow here given your original post of  "Those who think most professionals are using Mac..." was in response to a clearly more general definition of professional? 

You've taken it from the original "professionals" to "top tier professionals" and now to  "high level professional composers for TV/Film".   

You are railroading this discussion to suit your own agenda. 

I'm not re-framing / railroading anything.

I said that professional composers for TV/Film (meaning high level professionals) are almost all using custom PCs.

That hasn't changed.

Someone mentioned they could name 40 (TV/Film composers) who don't.

I'm saying... name them. 

1 hour ago, Will_Kaydo said:

I Myself had to invest in a dang Mac because 75% of the projects I get are freaken Logic projects.

I have to buy Macs because we support clients running VE Pro "Slave" machines (connected to their Mac).

I like some things about OSX (lean and networking is more straight forward).

Can't stand the lack of internal expansion... and lack of speed (relative to what's otherwise available).

1 hour ago, Will_Kaydo said:

I don't wana step on toes here. I just want to point out, this is actually inaccurate. I can name you 40 that doesn't, but that's not the point. 

I'm not talking bedroom composers.

I mean high level professional composers for TV/Film.

Name those 40.

LOL!

Have fun being a part of the "LA scene".   

If I were to name-drop, it would be an extensive list from ~30-years.

• Composers
• Rock-Stars
• Mix Engineers
• Mastering Engineers
• Label Executives

I've had the pleasure of working with many great individuals (famous and not)... including the CTO from Cakewalk.

If you're actually running Cakewalk By Bandlab, it was compiled on 10980xe based machine (that I built).  😉

15 hours ago, Bapu said:

Hey, who likes Gibson better than Fender? I'm just curious.

Neither...   😁

PRS all day long   

19 hours ago, Hugh Mann said:

Come on.  You know that for very ten examples you share,  someone can put up another 20 that use logic or Macs.  And if you put up another 20, there can be another 40 that are on Apple.  This really does nothing but serve as a commercial.  But you must have known that before posting.

The fact of the matter is that composers running large scoring templates are forced to custom machine/s to get the speed/configuration necessary (to effectively work).

I deal with these folks every day.

If you are watching a popular TV show or Film, a custom PC was most likely used by the composer (either as main machine or VE Pro "Slave").

I used Tim Wynn as an example... because long-time forum members will remember him.  Tim was an active forum member.

Tim climbed the composing ranks over the past several decades... and is now scoring feature films.

Show me 20 examples of top-tier professional composers who are NOT using any custom PC.

The short answer is... you can't.

The top composers in LA meet once a month.

Many of them actually live in the same neighborhood (strange but true).

All are running custom machine/s...

58 minutes ago, Nick Blanc said:

I'm convinced it is the right choice, but my guess it the problem is with Ableton. I have run several test (similar to Craig N who PM'ed me, thanks!) and there seems to be very weird behaviour. Ableton has this neat feature where you can see which channel uses the most CPU. If I load a project with let's say 70 tracks. Only roughly 7 tracks exhibit extreme CPU usage and the rest are just cruising by. I can delete those channels and the problem moves to another set of channels. So if I begin a project with a couple of channels, the CPU usage is too high in my opinion. But if I keep adding channels, the problem doens't seem to get that bigger. Of course there is a limit but it's like it idles at 8-10%. Every channel up to 7-8 adds 10% and after that every new channel adds almost nothing. 

I just relayed al this info to Ableton support and I will wait for their reply. Again, seems weird that I'm venting on a cakewalk forum, but I like you guys better than the Ableton forum 😋

I'd setup a "stress-test" type project in another DAW.

That'll let you know whether the issue is specific to Ableton Live.

Those who think most professionals are using Mac:

I get calls on a daily basis from professional composers... who simply can't get the speed/configuration (from Apple) they need to effectively work.

If you watch TV/Movies... a custom PC was used to create the music on almost all of them.

Composer Tim Wynn was a long time Cakewalk user (has since switched to Cubase).

Tim is now scoring feature films for the likes of Marvel.

I can say with 100% certainty that he's not using a Mac.

Nor is his colleague Ernie Lee... as we just shipped his new machine

I do think the Apple Mini is a slick little machine.

It's pretty cool for what it is (small form-factor simple machine).

On 1/28/2022 at 10:00 AM, Hugh Mann said:

There is a good example posted in this thread already. How much time has he wasted? And he’s still not done.  

If it takes someone more than about 15 minutes to tweak Win10 for maximum DAW performance, they don't know what they're doing.

If it takes hours/days, they're learning/experimenting.  

I build/configure machines literally every day.  (Have done so for 25+ years)

Lots of tweaks involved... but I know exactly what needs to be done... and it's the same every time.

I'd liken building/configuring PCs to Algebra. 

If you know how to solve the equation, you'll always get the right answer.

17 minutes ago, Hugh Mann said:

 now I consider that an annoyance and waste of time. I want to fire up my daw and get to making music. Not be my own IT guy. 

A bit over-blown.

Win10 needs properly configured once.

For someone who knows what they're doing, that process isn't lengthy (probably about 15 minutes).

We have Apple machines here to support VE Pro clients.  I tweak OSX as well (disable power-management, etc).

I recall someone on these forums saying that the 12900k was faster than the M1.

He had actually benckmarked both... comparing side-by-side.

Don't know who that might have been... 😁

The 12900k is an amazing CPU.

Yes, you need robust cooling.

Heat is nowhere near Threadripper.  IOW, It's possible to build a quiet machine.

One great machine with something like the 12900k and a RTX 3xxx series video card (with 0dB fan mode) would excel at both running DAW applications, video editing,... as well as games.

You don't want to build something like this fully passive-cooled.

You could... but it would be a thermal-throttling disaster.   😉

36 minutes ago, Shane_B. said:

I'm still curious if anyone knows why there is a tendency to water cool these things. It seems overkill to me and a pain to maintain.

If you're talking about more recent make CPUs (5950x and 12900k), robust air-cooling isn't enough when the CPU is under heavy load.

Closed-loop water-coolers are maintenance-free.  You don't need to add coolant, etc.

With a water-cooler, you're dealing with both fan and pump noise.  Important to get one with a quiet pump (quiet fans are easy)

You'll see guys on YouTube building Threadripper machines using a NH-U14S or NH-D15 (large air-cooler).

Yeah, it's quiet.  😁

Put that CPU under load... and it thermal-throttles CPU clock-speed WAY down.

Kind of defeats the purpose of having a $1k+ CPU.   

The same is true for the 5950x and 12900k (just not as extreme).