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Ok great thanks for your suggestions! Even though to my ears -14 it sounds very low. I have compared a downloaded version of a Mogwai song in high definition (flac) with the one on their Spotify, and to my ears the volume is the same! Even if the flac version if analyzed in youlean meter is at about -5 LUFS! How is it possible? very strange

This is my song, how it looks to you? Loudnesspenalty.com says I should turn it down by 2.2, to me it seems already quite low, to my ears at least.

Thanks for the link i have a read. The thing is that if I would follow this rule my song would sound much much less higher in volume if I compare it with other artists songs

Ok I see but then let's do one thing at the time. Let's suppose Online platforms don't exist and we are in the 90s, what would be the average standard volume for a track do you know? Because if Mogwai ,which is a huge band, has their album song at -5 LUFS then it should be ok for a standard album volume? Then after that I would make another master with lower volume exclusively for the online platforms what do you think? Or should I find a balance? If I should follow these Spotify rules it says that I should turn the volume of my track down -3.3, too much!

I know this thanks, but the problem here is, should I make a different master version for each bloody online platform? Seriously? Since I'm paying for each master. Anyway for regular album, like CD, Vinyl, WAV file, what would be the standard volume instead? Also I have a reference Mogwai song I downloaded in flac format, so quite high definition. When I analyze the song in the youlean meter it seems that is clipping, also if I upload the track on https://www.loudnesspenalty.com/ to see how much would be reduced in volume uploading the song in the different online streaming platfoms, it says it would be reduced like -8 for spotify and youtube. So after that, I have listened to the song in the Mogwai spotify profile and compared it with the one I have in local in high definition by just listening to them and to my ears the volume is exactly the same! So it seems that spotify didn't really turned down the volume. Am I missing something here? What should I do? of course I would like my song to sound higher in volume, like the Mogwai one, but then it would be turned down in spotify, even if would be, is that ok? Or should I have 2 master versions one for the CD, Vinyl and local WAV file and another for Spotify which would be lower? Is there a standard volume I should refer to?

Hi guys! one question, I have done a master with those online mastering tool automatically. Now I want to check if it's too loud or not, I'm using Youlean Meter but I'm not sure how to use it. It seems that is clipping but when I compare it with an artist reference track I have downloaded online in .FLAC format (so I suppose it's how it should be) that's also clipping. So, I know when you upload the track on the online streaming platforms it turns down the volume most of the times, like on spotify, but I suppose there should be a kind of "standard volume" for proper Albums? That's what I would like I mean, I understand this can work for spotify but I also listen albums from downloaded tracks mostly in local so what would be the correct volume threshold? are these too loud? If yes, why then all the tracks I have downloaded in High Definition from different artists are also clipping if I check them out in Youlean Meter?? Also if I just listen to the reference track I used on Spotify and compare it with the one I have downloaded in flac and analyzed with the youlean meter, it's exactly the same volume, so it seems that spotify didn't really turned the volume down, how come if in this analyzer is clipping? Only thing I notice is the Loudness range in my song is higher than the reference track, but if I just compare the tracks to my ears, mine is way more quite than the reference track. These are the two songs mine and the reference track as you can see they both clips REFERENCE:

Man thanks but be very carefull with FreeG plugin! I have put it on some busses and on the master fader, and basically after months of investigation I discovered what was applying a sort of stereo widener on my Track! It was the freeG! After you use it just remove it from the tracks! it mess up everything!

Yes I think I just need to set pre-fader, thanks!

Guys, from my understanding and from what my friend told me is that GAIN STAGING is about gain, and not about the volume fader, otherwise would be called Volume Staging and not Gain Staging I understand the volume should be at 0 when you gain stage, ok, but then when you raise the volume fader up it affects the fader showing you that you are clipping, while you shouldn't cause the gain has already been set not to clip at volume 0! I also understand the volume fader is at the end of the chain and the gain at the beginning, but my goal now is to gain stage the guitars so that their sound would be sweet and not distorted by the too much input level but either from the guitar amp sim. In Reaper you are able to switch off the volume meter so that only moving the gain knob will show you if you are clipping or not. Otherwise you will get confused, for instance now I would like to review all my tracks to see if I did the gain staging right initially, but I cannot without re-setting all volume faders at 0! I have already done the volume balance! I don't know if I have been enough clear, I think Glenn got my point here. I want to see only how the gain is affecting the clipping, not the volume!!

Hi there, a friend of mine recording engineer using Reaper showed me he can disable the Track volume Meter maintaining only the Gain, in this way he can raise the volume up and down and it won't clip, while moving the Gain knob it it will still affect the peak meter. This because the gain staging should be done considering only the gain amount, not the volume amount, if the volume bar affects the peak meter it just creates confusion, because you might think is clipping but is not! maybe the volume bar is just too high, because it's the GAIN that you should adjust. So how do I disable the volume track meter in Cakewalk? anyone knows?

Hi there! I have deleted the Click Bus by mistake, how do I bring it back?

Thanks I check it out! This is the master from LANDR I did, I'mm not really an expert and I'm mixing with headphones at home but on forums the claimed is very hARSH and distorted, like if it's clipping? What do you think about it? CHeck when the drums starts Nice track by the way! love it https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S3W_Qmo-_AVZnhkxHCO5F7fU-FIvKkBB/view?usp=sharing

Not ignoring but to be honest I was expecting LANDR to work decently, probably it doesn't work properly because my mix is not good enough, you have to feed him with a good mix in order to work. I think that I still didn't learn mixing so Mastering would probably be next level up, so maybe I will try to ask help from a friend who has a recording studio.

yea fair enough fine but I know what I'm doing I grew up with chaotic hardcore music and this stuff is ok, I wasn't expecting an opinion on the composition I was more asking about the mix itself and the sound.

Hi guys, I have mixed a song I did at home, unfortunately I don't have a proper studio with a proper audio system, I'm mixing with my Marshall monitors headphones and some pretty powerful sony bluetooth speakers, I know I should buy something decent and bla bla bla, I'm aware, but for the moment how these sound to you? I did a mix, then I used LANDR AI mastering platform online where you upload your mix and spits out a master, easy pisy, again I know I should send it to a mastering engineer and bla bla bla, but this stuff I'm doing is pretty DYI, I don't pretend to have a professional release but I just want it good enough. I have two mastered versions here, which one sounds better to you? to me the second one, is much wider, even though someone told me is too harsh and compressed? is it true? The guitars are distorted to hell, I know and I like it like that cause is Rock, but I still can't tell the difference from normal guitar distortion to "HOT" to be honest, I'm quite a newbie. Please give your honest opinion thanks 1st master https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LK1jBQ2v5Lus0waq9tEwHaNrNQySg8H-/view?usp=sharing 2nd master https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LK1jBQ2v5Lus0waq9tEwHaNrNQySg8H-/view?usp=sharing

Are you using the youlean meter? Speaking about the mix or the mastered version? Because the mix should be at -6db to leave room for the master. The master should not go over 0 dbs, as far as I can see from the meter the master doesn’t go over that, I compared it with a song from Mogwai I downloaded in flac and the volume is the same, the meter is pretty much the same. so can it be that is not clipping but maybe guitars are too harsh? Dunno too much high end maybe or compression? Are you sure you are not confusing guitar distortion like big muff pedal kinda, with Hot (clipping)?

What do you mean with too many busy drums? Drums are fine, probably the genre is not your cup of tea? The drums sounds to me is the one I'm most satisfied with, I'm not sure about the guitars, if in the master are too compressed? once you drop the mix in LANDR the algorithm applies some AI EQ, I used a reference track from Mogwai, so I think LANDR tried to apply the same EQ, but maybe in doing that it compressed the guitars? are they too harsh? The one at 349 is a guitar with big muff pedal, is supposed to be like that, again not sure if you are confident with the genre.

So The acoustic guitar is intentionally distorted a bit cause I like it that way, otherwise would sound too thin, and weak personal taste. What you are saying is that the solo guitar part at the beginning is too quiet (in volume) compared to the part where the band starts? I tried to give some dynamics there, maybe too much? About the frequencies, did you check the mix or the master? Is the master too compressed compared to the mix? The mix to me sounds a bit muddier than the master, I agree with Bayan though tthat the master might be too bright? or maybe is just too compressed by LANDR?

hi guys! i really need an opinion from some expert on my mix cause I’m mixing at home with headphones on my own and I don’t have external feedbacks on my work. I’m quite a newbie and this is my song that I did with programmed drums and guitars amp sims. I then used LANDR AI automatic mastering platform online, you just drop your song and comes out the mastered version, I used a reference track from Mogwai since I play post rock stuff. do you think the mix version is better than the master? Someone from a forum told me this, the master is too compressed and too much in you face, also the drums disappear in the master. He also claims that is confusing and I should EQ more to make space for different instrument frequencies. also around minute 4, the instruments are a bit out of time. what do you think? Is he right? Do you confirm all these things? I don’t pretend to have a professional mix cause I’m doing everything at home, but I just want it good enough. Mastered https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IZN1eH2jW2s5eJMiFKTG7XLs0AShSLdN/view?usp=sharing MIX only https://drive.google.com/file/d/12l7wh6Nrken01P-DP8AdZ-PzrxO_Yn2p/view?usp=sharing

hi guys! i really need an opinion from some expert on my mix cause I’m mixing at home with headphones on my own and I don’t have external feedbacks on my work. I’m quite a newbie and this is my song that I did with programmed drums and guitars amp sims. I then used LANDR AI automatic mastering platform online, you just drop your song and comes out the mastered version, I used a reference track from Mogwai since I play post rock stuff. do you think the mix version is better than the master? Someone from a forum told me this, the master is too compressed and too much in you face, also the drums disappear in the master. He also claims that is confusing and I should EQ more to make space for different instrument frequencies. also around minute 4, the instruments are a bit out of time. what do you think? Is he right? Do you confirm all these things? I don’t pretend to have a professional mix cause I’m doing everything at home, but I just want it good enough. Mastered https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IZN1eH2jW2s5eJMiFKTG7XLs0AShSLdN/view?usp=sharing MIX only https://drive.google.com/file/d/12l7wh6Nrken01P-DP8AdZ-PzrxO_Yn2p/view?usp=sharing

MM doesn't seem to work, I drop the song nothing happens. Mmmm I think LANDR is probably much better

What do you think about the result? this is my mastered track Consider I recorded everything at home with plugins. https://drive.google.com/file/d/194c9NPxosIj_21e1dYmQgqLrEC0VVWPY/view?usp=sharing

done thanks!

ANYONE use LANDR AI for Mastering? What's your opinion?

I have uploaded the mastered version in cakewalk, together with a FLAC format reference track I used from a well known artist. It doesn't clip. Both songs have a maximum peak of -0.0 dbs I have used the youlean meter plugin, probably the same you are using. Just upload whatever artist song and you will see that every bloody song is in red but still below 0dbs so it's normal And by the way, as you can see comparing the mix with the master, there is a HUGE difference and improvement. so LANDR AI does quite good even without ears, maybe not the same level as a mastering engineer, but definitely good enough, it also depends from the mix.