reevant

Thanks for this it answers my issue.

Actually, after much investigation it turns out that my Kontakt had a velocity curve set at the multi level which was changing the velocities from Cakewalk on the way into Kontakt.  (I don’t know the velocity curve was put there, I didn’t even know such a thing existed).

sorry all

Tony

Forget all this it looks to be something else entirely.  I may have changed a patch setting in my testing hence a cannot repeat my issue.

sorry all

Tony

Actually I cannot repeat how I got it to work.   And, I don’t think it’s new I read something else about it somewhere.

basically if I import a MIDI File most likely originally generated in Reaper.  Run it into Kontakt the velocity levels are totally different.

I’m still to do more testing.  I thought I had it but maybe not.

thanks Tony
 

After a day of extreme frustration reading and discovery, creating  test midi files in Cakewalk and Reaper I found that both Reaper and Cakewalk do in fact treat velocities in the same way.  I arrived at that by checking the velocity layers in a Kontakt patch I created.

However if I “Import MIDI” the velocities are not at all what I would expect.  If I “Open” (not import) the MIDI file all seems fine (in early testing).

This strongly suggests to me the “Import MIDI” function has issues.  (But at least I know not to use it).

I know something like this was raised in another post but I was still not clear on that as the posts got very long winded.

I would suggest that a bug is put in to fix the import function.

my thoughts

Tony

I think you’ll find Channel Tools has been around for a very, very long time (I can recall using it years ago).  However a number of DAWs have a simple option on the panning knob (or whatever) that allows the user to simply choose how the panning is to be performed without adding yet another plugin.

my thoughts

Tony

I was looking for a good solution.  Many good DAWs have setting on the track panning that do similar without the need of adding extra tools or plugins.  Yes some plugins such a Neutron or VST instruments such as VSL Synchron have it built in as do some other DAWs.  
 

it would be a really good feature to add IMHO.

Tony

Hi Gurus,  is there a way to set a tracks panning width and position.  Many DAWs allow one to not only pan to a position but also set how wide the stereo is within that position.  For example, set the pan to 30% left with a width of say 40% which might have the effect of putting the track in a narrow band but not mono 30% left.

I know this can be achieved using third party stereo imaging plugins (eg Neutron) and also some VST instruments will do it such as VSL Synchron player.  But, it would be good to be able to do it at a track level as can be done in other DAWs.  
 

Maybe it is possible in Cakewalk but I cannot find it.  It does make for nicer positioning.

Tony

I would like to see the option of starting at bar -1 or better -2.  I find it a bummer to be finding what is bar 8 on bar 10.    It would be nice to be able to have an area for a lead in prior to bar 1 or even a count in.

This shouldn’t be too difficult to implement.

Tony

On 7/25/2020 at 3:27 AM, Noel Borthwick said:

@reevant if you send a dump file I can take a look and see where its hanging. Send me a download link.

Thanks Noel, I sent a dump to Cakewalk (Freed) and we fairly quickly got pretty much to the bottom of it.  All sorted.

On 7/27/2020 at 12:08 AM, Will_Kaydo said:

Strange. It works fine by me. 

Disable your firewall, reinstall it and see how that works.

Try these steps too. 

 

Hi, thanks for the assistance.  I think I’ve now fixed the Vienna Smart Orchestra after a call to Support.  We looked at a possible issue.  I got rid of some bloatware and also uninstalled my version of MSOffice which was a bit old.  There was a component in there causing Cakewalk and Vienna to have a fight.  I also had to once again reinstall Cakewalk.  It worked all day today so I’m a little more confident.

Thanks again (and thanks to Cakewalk Support (thanks Freed))

Tony

I’ve sent VSL a heap of Minidumps but there’s nothing in them.  Last evening I sent both Cakewalk and VSL a heap of crash dumps.  Hopefully this might show something.

Oddly enough I installed the prerelease version yesterday and it worked for about 30 minutes.  Once it barfed it just keeps doing so after 30 seconds or so.  I don’t even need to be doing anything just letting it sit there.

The Synchron Player works fine in Reaper without issue.  Unfortunately I find MIDI editing in Reaper a bit of a challenge.  Cakewalk in my opinion is much nicer.

thanks for your response

Tony

I like the advice I have some dumps but how do I log a call?

Tony

Well I spoke too soon.  It worked for about 30 minutes or so.  Then it froze, went belly up and now I cannot get a Vienna Smart Orchestra to work.  It might play a few bars the crashes Cakewalk big time.  It seem to actually lockup my pc for a minute or two.

Well I don’t know what to say.  
 

For the past week I’ve been frustrated, sending stuff to VSL asking questions on various forums including the Cakewalk forum.  I purchased Vienna Smart Orchestra but unfortunately could not get it to work in Cakewalk.  I even went to a “fresh” install of Cakewalk but no joy.

Today I get the message about the advance release so I thought “why not it can’t get worse”.   I downloaded and put it on my system.  Fired it up loaded the Vienna Smart Orchestra and it worked.  I hope I’m not speaking too soon but it seems as if the issue may have gone with the new update.

I can only hope and pray.

keep well all.

Tony

Now if I could only get the Vienna Smart Orchestra from crashing Cakewalk.

thanks again MSMcLeod

Spot on first hit.  I did not know such a thing existed.  It never used to.

Now they’ll tell me that’s an improvement 

Thanks a heap

Tony

I think I made a huge mistake.  I removed Cakewalk by Bandlab and reinstalled a fresh version to attempt overcome Vienna Smart Orchestra from crashing Cakewalk (made no difference however).

The “fresh” install looks totally different to what I had but most importantly it behaves totally differently.  There does not appear the be an Event Viewer which to me is a critical feature on the most basic DAW.  Why would this disappear.  It is not in the track view right click nor is it in the View menu.

how can I get this back.  All of a sudden Reaper is starting to look better.  In Reaper the Vienna Smart Orchestra works fine as do all other features that used to work in Cakewalk.

I did prefer Cakewalk to Reaper For MIDI editing but if it doesn’t do what I need why bother.

Tony

Thanks, I’ll look into this.

Tony

Thanks, actually the original was made in Cakewalk (actually Sonar) using Miroslav Philharmonik or really TTS1 many years ago.  I use it to test orchestral libraries a simple thing based on Swan Lake that I use as it has a number of different parts.

Synchron Player causes a crash even with nothing loaded but the Synchron Player.  Not even any libraries or midi tracks in place.  Normally Cakewalk works pretty well unless I do something stupid it does not like. 
 

thanks again

tony

Changed the location of the DLL also tried going from ASIO to WASAPI no joy.  Each time it plays first time.  If I then shut Cakewalk and fire up again it goes belly up.

works fine in my other DAW so I guess I’ll need to learn the finer points of MIDI editing in that.  
 

Tony

I even tried reinstalling Cakewalk.  The tune played through once.  Then I restarted Cakewalk tried to play again but Cakewalk shut down yet again.

I must admit I did not delete the stuff out of   C:\Program Files\Cakewalk and C:\Program Files(x86)\Cakewalk.  This file has many other VSTs that I need and would take ages to reinstall.

Thanks, I have assumed it was 64 bit I’d better check that.  I did try both VST2 and VST3.

Hi, don’t know if anyone can help.  I’m trying to get the Vienna Smart Orchestra to work but it causes Cakewalk (or even Platinum) to catastrophically fail.  Sometimes it loads the VST but when load an instrument it goes belly up.  At other times it might play a bar or two.  Sometimes even just loading the VST causes it to fail.

I have reinstalled the program and libraries several times.  Once I rediscovered all VSTs and it worked for a while.  I thought I had it but alas.  The standalone program seems fine.  It also works in a different DAW just not Cakewalk which is my preferred DAW for playing around with MIDI.

Any thoughts welcome.

Tony

Ok there is a correct method I found in the olde Sonar X2 book by Scott R Garrigus.   It seems you undock the Event List then you click in the Top Left Corner and tell the window not to float.  That then opens up the print options.  Although the <cntrl><p> in the screen did the trick.  
 

Either way the current doco needs fixing

Tony