michaelhanson
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4 hours ago, Bapu said:
FWIW
Whenever I start using another DAW I try to find its ways to improve my workflow over how I used Cakewalk for so many years.
To use the weak car analogy: I'll never be able to make a Lexus be a BMW.
Studio One works better for me than Cakewalk did. But I still use Cakewalk occasionally where/where it is required.This has been the first time that I’m really giving Studio One a fair shot, after upgrading to V6. I agree, Ed, I’m looking at it in a different light and there’s definitely some thing’s I’m actually liking better. It takes some time to break old work flow, but now I’m actually preferring the new.
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Strange days, indeed.
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12 hours ago, Bapu said:
FWIW I have no complaints and I will never intentionally bash CbB or the new SONAR. I reserved the right to speak my displeasure with the new pricing model if and when it comes out if I actually have an issue with it.
On the whole I have no issue with charging for the new products, especially SONAR since I will always maintain a current copy on my machine. Most here know I have 11 paid for DAW products installed. And although I'm now most comfortable with Studio One on a day to day basis I have my uses for CbB and the others too.I’m sitting in much the same spot, except I’m no where near 11 different DAWs. When the Bakers announced their new plans, my reaction was to upgrade my Studio One v3 to v6 Pro and get serious about learning the program. I’m struggling a bit to make the conversation, but I’m not giving up this time and going backwards. Hopefully I’ll be saying I’m most comfortable with Studio One one of these days, in the near future .
I have no complaints either about Cakewalk, it has served me well for the past several decades. If the pricing is right, I will maintain a paid for version as a back up plan. I also collaborate with several that run Cakewalk, so it would be handy to maintain a version.
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26 minutes ago, martinh said:
[2] “New” Sonar should be available on a pay-per-version or per-year model that also remains viable in its present state if a user chooses not to continue to upgrade. (Yes I was one of the fools who trusted Gibson with 100s of dollars for “lifetime updates,” which is why I have some cynicism here. )
Martin,
I've seen others calling Lifetime subscribers as fools, naive or having some general lack of wisdom.....as in what did you expect.
I suspect that most assessed the situation as I did. We were paying for regular updates anyway or we were on the current Gibson subscription model. I knew it was a gamble, but no more than buying into any piece of software. For the price at the time, it was a reasonable gamble that the company "could" stay alive, but if it didn't make it and honor, it wasn't a huge monetary loss. The odds were certainly better than betting in Vegas.
To your point though about cynicism, I can relate. Burn me once, not to get burned twice.
Incidentally, my Gibson LP's are still my best instruments and since new management took over Gibson, the 2019 to present guitars are pretty spectacular.
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42 minutes ago, Keni said:
It may seem so to some, but I see it on track.
You made many points... we all do or there would be no discussion.
Lifetime subscriptions died when the company Cakewalk died...
Any concessions that Cakewalk (subsidiary of Bandlab Industries) might decide to grant anyone are purely out of the kindness of their' heart. They have no legal or moral obligations. Social obligations? Maybe.
I bought lifetime without blinking to support them as well as acquire for myself and would do so again if such a situation ever arises. Even if the new company offered it now! 🙂
...yet I don’t even remotely consider any such obligation by these people.
The Lifetime subscription topic was debated heavily back when it was introduced. It might have surpassed the 33 pages currently posted here. All of the same worries and comments were made about the "what if's". Both sides of the debate were well represented and most knew that it was a gamble.
For the price of admission, it was worth the gamble for me.
However, it turned out to be...exactly what the nay say'ers predicted. I have forgiven, but that doesn't mean its forgotten.
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31 minutes ago, chris.r said:
Melodyne is another example.
My point exactly. I wasn’t making fun of Windows 7. Fact is that it is obsolete.
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32 minutes ago, User 905133 said:
My "elders" had a saying that was passed down to later generations, "Don't borrow trouble." For me its a variation of "I'll cross that bridge when we get there." 🙂
But you are right--at some point, someone might complain about having to re-activate CbB and the owner (current or future) might stop the activation server. Based on what has happened over the past 5 years, I am choosing to wait and see. I understand that some people might want to jump ship. That's fair in my opinion. We each have to make our own decisions.
As for me, I have considerably less income than I did when I was into purchasing new versions of Cakewalk/SONAR. Depending on the pricing structure, I might not be able to afford either of the new products. So, I do understand where people are coming from.
Well, I probably would be considered an elder. We have many sayings, that we pull out base on the situation and points we are trying to get across. I might counter that with "I am reading the writing on the wall". Here is the thing, it all comes down to what Sonar by Cakewalk decides to do as it's business model. I said that 20+ pages ago. They haven't said what they are going to do other than hint at a payment model and making pricing fair.
I did jump ship back in the Gibson fiasco. I run CbB, Studio One and Harrison Mix Bus; tried out several others as well. I'm going to limit how many DAW's I am paying for and continue to pay for the ones that offer the best options for me. Most of the people I still collaborate with run Sonar, so its handy to have it around. Right now, it seems like Studio One is light years ahead of Sonar. I am extremely familiar with Sonar, having used it for over 20+ years, I operate in Sonar without even thinking about it. That's what has kept me using it, its very familiar and natural to work in, because I grew up with it.
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18 minutes ago, scook said:
This is true. There are those who are still rolling the dice with pre-X series SONAR and I occassionally read something from a ProAudio fan...30+ years and going. I prefer something a little more modern.
Yup, and they are still running Windows 7. 🤣
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5 minutes ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:
Until more information is added in by Bandlab/Cakewalk themselves, I still think they're testing the waters to see how much damage control will be necessary to be done when they invariably introduce a subscription plan for both. Because "fair pricing for everyone" tells you everything you need to know about how the pricing scheme will go, which is a whole lot of nothing.
If you’ve been around Cakewalk/Sonar/ Home Studio/ Twelve Notes for over 20 years, this is exactly what they do….dip their toe in the water to test the reaction. Unfortunately what that does is creates all the controversy that we are seeing.
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43 minutes ago, User 905133 said:
If you are serious, I hope you saw that we will be able to continue to use CbB. It just won't have any updates.
The website says that CbB will continue to operate but will not be supported. That sounds like a bit of a roll of the dice to me. Eventually, you’ll have to do something.
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1 hour ago, Jonathan Sasor said:
Lets keep the contents of this thread on topic or it's going to be shut down- please, and thank you.
Back to the Coffee House
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Hearing aids have made tinnitus almost nonexistent for me. I’m also very conscious of the sound levels these days and keep decibels in a safe range or wear protection.
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2 minutes ago, Lord Tim said:
Not directed to anyone in this thread in general, but nobody here is crapping on anyone for asking questions - it's obvious stuff is still being worked out at Bandlab HQ that the Bakers can't talk about yet, so it's fair to speculate. But man, there's a lot of "the sky is falling" and general FUD in these threads, threats to go to another paid product and learn a new system if they make this one a paid product (WTF?), or just general misunderstandings. At the end of the day, nobody here is your mum - if the terms going forward don't work for you, people all have the choice to go wherever they please. But throwing toys out of the cot because of speculation is ridiculous. Let's see what's actually happening first, this isn't even day 1 yet.
Well, its obvious were you are directing it and if you read all 12 pages the crap pile is there. I'm not making threats, I moved to multiple DAW's long ago. Money is not the objection, I make a very healthy living; value is my question, were do I want to put my investment for the best long term out come.
The fact that the "Bakers", a term many of us old times coined a long time ago, role out a similar message each time they change the business model is growing a little old however. They have always dipped their toe in the water before releasing pricing terms. The last subscription model went exactly the same way. I preferred the subscription back then, by the way. It fit my budget better at that stage in my life.
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It seems like some folks are getting hammered by others for having a little skepticism. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and certainly entitled to decide what they find attractive in which to spend their money on.
I'm waiting to see the details. I don't mind options, especially if it offers some a subscription plan and others the opportunity to buy outright. I have been around long enough (2002) to watch Cakewalk/ Sonar go through many business models long before Gibson ever got involved. I used to jump in head over heals to which ever direction Cakewalk went. I'm a little more reserved these days, having gone through the last road bump with Gibson. As I had mentioned earlier in this thread, that speed bump caused me to rethink what I was buying and whom I was buying from, to support my needs long term. I no longer rely on Cakewalk or the plugins inherent with in Cakewalk, but have spread out my reliance to many 3rd party vendors. Kind of like not putting all of your eggs in one basket, should one vendor fail to stay in business.
That being said, I was about to put $150 down to upgrade my Studio One V3 Pro to V6 Pro. I am now waiting to see where Cakewalk goes to make my final decision. Both programs are similar in the way they layout and function. I have always preferred Cakewalk, especially because I like the work space and layout of ProChannel. In many ways Studio One is more advanced than Cakewalk however. I basically only use the ProChannel plug ins and none of the other Cakewalk plug ins, so they really aren't a huge factor.
My decision is going to come down to which platform is going to be my primary and which is going to be my secondary. Again, I am going to reserve judgement, until the cards are on the table.
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I said my peace in the News thread. I'm more guarded and cautious as to where and how I spend my money on software these days. I've also learned not to put all of my eggs in one basket after the last transition.
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To be honest, the jury is out for me.
I have been a Cakewalk/ Sonar faithful user since the first days of release. I've been through all the buy outs, the ups and downs. When Cakewalk was sold by Gibson and in limbo, I purchased Studio One to ensure that I had a platform to work from. Also started replacing all plug ins with 3rd party. I was not going to get caught with my pants down in the future and had to ensure that I had a platform and tools to work with. I still use Cakewalk the majority of the time, but I decided not to put all of my eggs in one basket.
Depending on where this goes, I will have some decisions to make. I don't want 3 platforms on my hard drive taking up all my SSD space, not to mention the financial aspect of keeping up with 3 platforms; that is if Cakewalk comes in 2 formats. I'm not real keen to putting money into a platform that left me hanging the last time. I understand not honoring the "Lifetime" commitment made through Gibson ownership, completely. I'm just not sure how much loyalty I need to dish out.
Sounds like some major decisions may be on the horizon for many of us, or at least for myself.
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I was glued to the entire series. I found the entire process of flushing out the song writing and tunes to be totally fascinating.
You could definitely see first hand all of the issues that I’ve read about in books on the disintegration of the band. They were kids when they formed and not even 30 when they split. Everyone wants to call out Lennon as the leader, but the band was mainly a partnership between John and Paul, with George finally growing into a great song writer as they were in the midst of breaking up.
It becomes obviously clear while watching them that the some of the parts was greater than themselves as individual musicians, even in the lowest of their low points. Especially the Lennon/ McCartney partnership, when they clicked and worked together during the series, it was pure magic.
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.....and actually, the ToneX pedal is out.
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On 2/10/2023 at 9:57 AM, Jim Roseberry said:
It's been leaked that IK will release a ToneX in pedal form.
Rumor has it priced at ~$500
If true, they will fly off shelves.
I saw that as well, I think ToneJunkie had a vid on it. I'm watching to see if it comes out in the next couple of weeks. I've only played with ToneX for a few minutes on my recent tracking session and it sounded pretty good. I noticed it would cost me $99-$149 dependent on version for the software purchase. I am guessing they might bundle the software with hardware if it comes out.
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On 9/29/2022 at 11:20 AM, Bajan Blue said:
Sounds very well played and good mix
well done
Nigel
Thank you for listening and commenting Nigel.
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On 9/29/2022 at 10:47 AM, Lynn Wilson said:
As always, good musicianship and production. Persistency pays off!
Thank you Lynn! I'm definitely persistent.
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On 9/29/2022 at 10:16 AM, Old Joad said:
Good mix, I like the way the guitar and bass are working together. nice spread on the keys👼🏼
Old Joad, appreciate the listen! Thank you for noticing the interplay between guitar and bass. I played both on this song and worked hard on getting them to compliment one another. I've also learned to spread the Keys to give them their own space.
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On 9/29/2022 at 7:41 AM, Wookiee said:
Mix sounds fine here Michael.
Thank you for listening Wookiee. Good to know from some trusted ears!
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