Pathfinder

Full disclosure-I have had and used CW Since before CWPA 9, so long time. BUT, big BUT, I never really recorded. I always was playing out in bands but also in duo's and trio's. I used CW for creating my own backing tracks. This is part of the reason I am lacking lots of little details.

My question: Now I am ONLY recording- I have a zillion backing tracks saved. I ALWAYS used Track View exclusively. At this late stage (recording only) is it worth trying to switch to using the console view, like I am guessing most folks do for recording?

good question for me I think and this is where to ask.

Thanks so much folks

Frank aka Pathfinder

OK. I sure hope I can ask this correctly.

Watched a  video and cannot find it now but also nothing was explained real well (for me anyway)

Guy had all the expected band instruments (ALL) going to their own individual busses and and also a common bus  (say, all instrument bus) so while working on, say, vocals he could (QUICKLY) change volume, eq, whatever of the instruments all at once and NOT effect the vocals. Am I making sense? 
I would like to be able to do that ( not just because of the vocals) but I don't see how without having to go to each instrument and mute the master send in each one at a time. I need the master active of course to work on the vocals (or would I also give the vocals another separate bus??????. There actually are a couple of reasons I would like to learn how to do this. 
The only thing I see is to have the special ALL instrument bus have a send to the master bus so when I get down to mastering the hole project the instruments will feed the master and I would then turn off (mute)  the ALL  instrument common bus. OK I am confusing myself now.

Does this ring a bell for anyone? This may be a common "trick?" studios use I don't know.

Bottom line: Does anyone else do this or is this something that is not worth the hassle?  Of course I could just be crazy!

Thanks
 

duh

I still have my Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 disk  🙂 

Plus all the Sonars

12 hours ago, Mwah said:

So, my advice here (if you can call this that) is that you may be needing time to test several mic/preamp combinations before you find the ”golden one” for your particular voice and preferences. If you can get loaners from friends/shops/studios to try, it’ll be much cheaper than buying and re-selling stuff.

Good luck!

 

Thanks for the Good Luck but I pretty much know what I want and what I can afford-which may not be the same thing.  All the tube LDC mics I have owned suited me fine-hence, I want another one and Warm Audio fits the bill for me- This thread has helped convince me of that-which is a good thing!

Thanks for the good luck wish-we all need that!   🙂 

2 hours ago, datadog said:

For tube mics, I like and own the Warm Audio WA47 & WA67 with the 67 being a bit smoother. Neither is a real dark sounding mic in my opinion; both have that vintage character and are well under a grand. My new favorite tube mic is the Vanguard Audio Labs V13. It is fabulous on just about everything with an in your face beefy sound. The gen2 versions have updated components at about $1100. Also, their V44S gen2 Stereo FET Large diaphragm sounds fantastic at about $1200. It can be set up for M/S, X-Y, Blumlein and other stereo patterns or just used as a mono mic. Sales are going on now.

For cheap tube mics, the MXL Heritage HE Premium sounds good for about $500 but the shock mount is junk. This version has a JAN 6072A tube instead of a 12ATY.

 

My WA -87r2 is basically a wa-67 without the tube-according to Warm Audio!

7 hours ago, Glenn Stanton said:

couple of odd ones: Avantone CV-12 - way below budget but might be useful to have in your mic cabinet as a multi-pattern - so maybe a pair. Behringer B-2 Pro - way below budget and not a tube mic. however, i've have had many vocalists (meaning people who can really sing 🙂 ) complement how good they sound when recorded or using it live. i've seen a couple people comment on a B-2 lemon they got, but many more praising it. 

lastly, close to your budget (but it's a Warm product 😉 ) the Warm Audio WA-251 - i've haven't personally used it but i know a few people who have and for the right voice, it delivers. if i was going to buy a new tube mic, i'd probably start with this one unless i won the lottery and could afford a better one 👁️‍🗨️

The wa-251 is one of the mics I am looking at. That and the WA-47 and WA-CX12.

1 hour ago, DeeringAmps said:

I’ve owned “budget” tube mics and a Bock Audio 250 (3k ish). I’ve finally settled on the TLM103 (not tube). Came to the realization that tube mics, for my voice at least, are more work than they are worth (for me).

YMMV

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I hear good things about the TLM102. 
I’d love to own a U87, but pretty sure the bang for the buck wouldn’t be there for my voice.

I had a Stellar CM5 LDC tube mic, which IMHO, was the same guy that runs warm audio but that's another story. Like an idiot, I sold it. But I have owned many mics. I am not sure what you consider budget, but for me, $1,000 is not a budget mic. I know for actual studios that is a budget mic. 
I am in a small spare bedroom at home.

Also, I have found that LDC Tube mics suit my voice better that a non-tube. But like I said if I could afford a higher end non-tube mic I would get one. I think that's the difference for me. It's all about budget and for my $$$ and style, the warm Audio LCD tube mics in the $1k range are better "for me" than any non-tube mic under $1.5K.
I appreciate your input always, here and in other threads. 
Thanks

I did search but didn't find threads to help my decision. I tend to like the warmth and sound of a Large Diaphragm  Tube Condenser mic for MY vocals .

Presently have a NON tube NEW WA87r2 but really want a tube mic. Was an impulse buy. Supposedly it is a warm audio WA-67 non tube version of the 67.

I also like Warm audio mics but doesn't have to be. My budget for the mic is $1,000. I do have a warm audio wa12 mic pre also.

*****************any suggestions would be appreciated---I do mean any, I open to all suggestions.....I was looking at the Warm Audio WA-47. Why do they make their mics so huge? The originals they model are NEVER as huge.

-BTW, too late by 10 days, to return the WA87r2 and I am a VERY GOOD Sweetwater customer (have had platinum card forever) for 20 years. Kind of made me mad but it is what it is.

Thanks as Always

16 hours ago, John Vere said:

@Sailor55 We have a lot in common. More or less how I work.  it wasn't the best I can do = DELETE!!  Try again. 

I do my 3 tracks in a row knowing I won't keep 1 and 2. It gets you warmed up. 

That is pretty much what I have been doing most of my CW life (early90's) I always thought that was wrong, as stated above. 
So do you delete the 2 tracks or just delete the audio in the track? I must be doing something incorrectly.
I also rename projects to where I end up with 7 or 8 with the date on the end as a reference. Another bad habit I imagine.

38 minutes ago, msmcleod said:

I hated comping when it came out, but if I'm honest, it was because I really didn't understand it - I'd been using Sonar/CbB like it was CWPA 9 for years.

Once I watched a few tutorials it became much clearer what was going on, and now I use it all the time for guitar solos, drums, and sometimes vocals - I stick it on loop and record several takes.

For anything else,  undo, rewind, re-record just like I did in the tape days.  I find for most things this is far quicker than painstakingly editing stuff.

That's what I use to do, record, undo, etc. I really want to avoid the missing file stuff I use to come up with and 99% of the time it was a wav. file. Which could only be vocal or guitars because everything else I do is midi and not bounced until I am done with vocals nd guitars..........

Thanks- I remember doing (should say trying) this way back when, but never really learned it. I found 3 other videos, so I have 4 videos to learn from now!

Thanks very much 🙂

I believe this is what got me into a mess before-not understanding of course. I would record a vocal and then undo recording. Repeating this process many times in the project.

Guitars I normally get right the first time but still?

What is the best practice if I want\need to do this until I am happy with the vocal? I will gladly watch\read any necessary video tutorials, etc. Need to know what to look for.

sorry for the basic question again. Just trying to end my old bad habits and replace with the proper or most used approach.

Thanks very much

2 hours ago, Keni said:

"Add page"?

What did I miss? I don’t see such...

Same time I was getting all the 502 Gateway errors for this forum I kept being pushed to a page that talked about Next and New Sonar-no prices that I saw-explained some features- had lots of graphics also. etc, etc.

7 minutes ago, Larry Jones said:

After a few hours of seeing this error when I tried to access the forum, I thought maybe the Big Day had arrived, and the next thing I would see here is the announcement that Sonar & Next are now available. But I guess it really was a bad gateway. Bad gateway!

Yes me too! Finally just got in. Well, new add page looks cool at least   🙂 

1 hour ago, User 905133 said:

Did I say full circle earlier?

 C'mon everybody; sing it like you're three years old:

One more time, ad nauseum . . . .

IBTL?

My reply was NOT an insult, it was a realistic observation. But hey, facts do not matter in this world anyway so Cool! wish you all the best!

16 hours ago, heath row said:

I've often thought that we should all get together and buy you a new bed, because yours is obviously broken, because it doesn't seem to matter which side of it you get out on, you are still just a grumpy sour old bastar*, going by your replies to people,

But you know that.

Yes and you the rightous are certainly helping the OP with his issue. Gosh, thanks for jumping in-so cordial!

On 11/7/2023 at 2:08 PM, Ronny.G said:

@Byron Dickens maybe for you, it's your opinion, my system works perfectly and is a lot more faster and with less latency with these mods.

Also I think this it's not a debate about DAW pc online vs oflline. Both solution have valid arguments on their side anyways but these are arguments for another topic. Here the problem is another, offline activation suddenly removed from the last update of a retired product and why it takes so long to be restored.

 

 

 

 

I am not attacking you, just trying to understand your logic behind your choice! 

You can debate back and forth about this or you can realize the internet is not the big scary dark hell on fire place. Jeeeezz-it's the internet.
Sorry but as I see it you have 2 choices:

The right choice: activate online at a friends house or something as mentioned above.  Or however you choose to get online. Takes less than a minute!

Wrong choice: keep posting about it and DO NOTHING

5 hours ago, whoisp said:

The Cakewalk Next "new" DAW been under development for five years, which did create a bit of confusion with current CbB.  

Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) aka that will go back to Cakewalk Sonar in reality is  basically continued development of the existing platform CbB with enhancements yet to be disclosed in full that created some confusion. Talk about the interface and bundle plugins  

Permanent activation will be available once the two "new" DAWs are released and CbB depreciated with crossover period i assume. 

Reality, people will now have to pay for something that is free, so now Cakewalk Sonar is competing with with a stable Studio One and others on price etc , so i am guessing they are getting it solid before launch, given soon as you force subscription or yearly payments people tend to shop about for best deals etc 

 

 

Yes "I" Know all that. Maybe reply to the person who asked the question-no biggie-just sayin 😉

On 10/31/2023 at 9:33 AM, jfrommichigan said:

Oddly enough, I seeked out Cakewalk, when I got back into the hobby a couple of years back.

It was from memory of what I thought was the "goto" DAW. I had no idea it would be free (I was willing to pay)

- I think these days, for as much as we are bombarded with advertisement, DAW useage comes more from "word of mouth"/recommendation.

- Reaper has a rabid fanbase (in a good way) who are chomping at the bit to share knowledge.

- FL (don't call it Fruity Loops we are all 'growed up' now) is ALWAYS going to come up when the "I want to become a producer and make beats, which DAW should I get?" question is posted on message boards.

This being said, Cakewalk is doing itself NO FAVORS with this 'you're gonna have to pay, and we aren't going to tell you anything about the new software, but it will have a new (read: "same but uncustomizeable") user interface.

Aaaand the only section/thread specifically hyping up/passing time/increasing excitement here on the official forum... was locked. (and by the way, I'm kind of sick of seeing members here, tell anyone who asks to basically 'shut up and wait.')

Now, all that I really see regarding Cakewalk is the question "so, what are you switching to?"

Even I AM about 10 minutes from jumping ship. And I really don't want to.

Why say they haven't told us anything about the new software? That's crazy. IT IS SONAR as in Cakewalk? Do you really think they completely rewrote the whole thing from the bottom up? It is pretty much the paid Version of CWbBL, but not free, with enhancements. Jeeezzz-pretty simple really!

Also, the FREE Version is GREAT and is STILL Free

Just wanted to post back and say Thanks to all for the great help I rec'd here  - really paid off. Cleaned up all my projects & project folders, etc.
No more loose or missing audio files......So glad.....
Thanks so very much!

Frank

18 hours ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

You can eliminate the wav files "referred to but nor used" in a project by doing a "save as" with a new name to a new location.

Make sure "Copy all Audio with project" is checked. This new verion will now only reference those files currently used in the project.

Bristol

Thank You for this suggestion. I have many project folders not only with the audio file crap but also with 7 or 8 versions of the pretty much the same file, I add whatever I changed to the title-dumb-This also cleans up that garbage also-and quickly!

Just wanted to say thanks for helping this old vet. I know it must be frustrating. 

So the asset file thing is this according to CW ( in 2014):

This file is used by Gobbler to know what files/videos and paths are referenced in your project for properly backing it up. It cannot be turned off. There's an options in preferences to turn it off, I totally forget we added that since we first added the feature.
 You can ignore it if you want when backing up your projects, but it will be re-created on the next save.

My issue is, these files are NOT referenced in the project. Why not just keep track of things that are actually IN the project when the project is saved? confusing, oh well. 

I do need to try Bristols suggestion. Tried once but screwed it up. I will try again.

11 minutes ago, David Baay said:

Will need to look at the project file that warns of missing files. You can delete all the MIDI content from a copy if you don't want to share it.

David

The 2 screenshots I posted earlier in the thread are the ones that really bug. There are so many like that. But I sure don't want to delete them. Those screenshots earlier are with hidden files hidden so I don't get the zillion files in a project with 5 tracks?that's kind of what I mean.

8 minutes ago, David Baay said:

Will need to look at the project file that warns of missing files. You can delete all the MIDI content from a copy if you don't want to share it.

You mean upload the project? I have no problem with that. But I did replace the file that was missing. Guess I could leave it in there.

I totally screwed up. BTW, the midi file is just one I downloaded for free and edited-no biggie. 

I could start all over the right way-like NOT delete files in a project nilly willy. 

example: I used to (way back also) record a vocal or guitar track and did a whole lot of UNDO RECORDING (a whole lot) Could that have caused this alo-besides deleting tracks?