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I don't claim to be a big business guy, but I don't get the, backend issues and extra $$$ cost if you , say, sell a perpetual license and subscriptions. It has been stated a few times so far.

So what are we talking here, the price of boxes and postage? So make it a download only. Serve cost.
Accountants to track sales vs subscriptions? I think accounts can handle both, we are not talking Microsoft Corp.here.
I still just do NOT see the logic in this decision. John V's post above and fine video shows that most daws and software companies SELL. Some subscribe and sell.  Cool idea!
FEW just subscribe. Just amazes me.
Also, I mentioned this before, Yes it was great having CW free with updates. But I am pretty sure the $$$ I spent on CW and ALL upgrades since the early 90's (I always upgraded to the end) kind of balances it out. 
Oh well..........

22 hours ago, John T said:

No worries!

I think it'll be interesting if more of us have a mess around with it and report our thoughts.

I get the feeling quite a lot of posts are coming from people who've just seen screen shots. And that's valid, of course. But I've found that using it has changed my mind about a lot of my initial screen shot impressions.

So they both install to the original CW directory? Just checking.  Thanks and sorry but I couldn't find the answer.

Thank You John!

Sorry if I missed this but:

Can I install next and Sonar juts to take a look without enrolling?

Thanks

For me, I guess you would say it's a matter of principle. Right or wrong it is how I, Frank, feel. 
Also the only reason I keep mentioning it is because of my preference for CW\Sonar, etc.
Trust me, it's not an easy thing. 
 

4 hours ago, Greg Wynn said:

I’ve been using Cakewalk/Sonar for +20 years.  And for many years when it became CbB I used it for free.  Zilch.  Nada.

 

Whatever the pricing scheme ends up being I’m onboard.   Cakewalk/Sonar has been extremely good to me and I have zero problems reciprocating.

Kind of goes both ways. we also supported (as in $$$) CW\Sonar for many, many years, much longer than CWBL has been free.
So why not accommodate those of us that have an aversion to "Software subscriptions and come up with a price. 
The $$$ is NOT the issue with me.
 

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I think the price IS VERY IMPORTANT. ANYTHING you buy you look at the price. 
We all make our own choices. My choice is NO SUBSCRIPTION.
Guess it's different if you are making $$$ using a daw, I am not. So if I cannot BUY a Sonar license like it used to be , I will sadly move on.  😞 I also have Studio One and Reaper.
As stated before, since my memory sucks I have to relearn whatever I use anyway. 
Ok this is getting old for me because it seems obvious to me that nothing will change in the foreseeable future.

3 hours ago, Tommy Byrnes said:

I was thinking about this and searched around to see if the subject was already covered. Has this been discussed? Most other major DAWs are.

Good Question....Sweetwater is my go to store for decades............I am guessing right now no one knows the answer to that,,,,

9 hours ago, Alan Bachman said:

So,  for clarity, if one buys the Bandlab membership subscription, does that person have to pay an additional price for Sonar later?  Or will the Sonar price be included in that membership for the foreseeable future?

The bandlab membership price, if it includes Sonar without an additional Sonar price later, is fair.  One doesn't need to use the other bandlab membership services.

I seriously doubt that is the case. Just my opinion of course. It's like you pay to try it out and when they come up with a price you pay again.
Now, I have said many times, I am READY to pay (NOT for ANY type of subscription). IMHO, the subscription BS to use Sonar now is just another way to GET $$$$. Yes I said that!
Why? Well they state it's NOT a beta-then come up with a price. Period!

I also have been getting familiar again with Reaper and since I forgot most of what I know I can buy another DAW product and really nothing lost for me. Does make me sad though-after32+ years!

OP-I feel your pain-Trust me on this!

47 minutes ago, John Vere said:

Ya to bad you are taking this so personally,  we are only trying to help.   And nobody notices when people "leave" it's the internet.   

The  mistake you made  was not explaining clearly what happened in your OP, It took 2 pages to find out! And now I actually see what happened,  my original reply would have been totally different.  

But then, no excuse as it is a two fold issue. First - you made the mistake of not saving as you worked, you would have known all was lost after only 5 -10 minutes.

And the activation process is "user Beware" at this point in time. A lot just changed and we are all on borrowed time with CbB.   You are not to blame because only regualars to this forum would be totally aware of all of this knowledge.  The activation to in app happened last fall. As well as the announcement that you had to update to the latest version to stay activated.   Not everyone is aware of this but as said, there's always perils to using free software.  And using CbB it's a good idea to stay up to date right now as things are changing fast. 

John, with all due respect, and I mean you do deserve respect, possibly you and a few others were\are trying to help. NOT ALL. Yes I take it personally. Probably because I do have some "serious health issues" and it makes me mad and defensive.
Many times I have mentioned  I have been using CW since early late 80's\90's. I knew more then than I can remember now. 
I did say, I believe more than once that I was signed in everywhere possible. No one seemed to take that into consideration-well your last post did.

18 minutes ago, gustabo said:

Name-calling? Classy!

You did everything but call names. I clearly stated I was SIGNED IN. but you chose to ignore that and keep having what you consider "fun" I guess.

I tried to show I have some "memory issues" due to many things which I will not list, although I did give a hint to one of them.

You chose to ignore all that.

Kind of reminds me of the time Kanya West told everyone to stand at a concert before he would sing again. One person didn't. Of course, Kanya, being who he is, ragged on the guy. But then he found out the guy was in a wheel chair. (no I am NOT in a wheel chair, but.....................................................

19 minutes ago, gustabo said:

Couldn't be any easier...
Two options here.

OK since I am leaving anyway I have to say, I was signed in MORON that's part of the point-JEEEEZZz the arrogance is unreal!

13 minutes ago, gustabo said:

Couldn't be any easier...
Two options here.

I explained what happened but I guess your just so intelligent it's below you to understand. Couldn't be easier to go away either instead of just kicking a man when he's down-thanks pal

This does it for me-I don't need this level of heartless Bs

1 minute ago, John Vere said:

This seems hard too believe but if so you have my partial sympathy now.  Are you saying the activation showed during a sessions and not at start up? 

No see my previous post

1 hour ago, John Vere said:

Sorry it sounds harsh, but really, the way it works is you open Cakewalk ( Sonar) and if it needs activating it gives you a huge red notification that is impossible to ignore. You implied that you lost work which then implies you ignored the warning even though it says "You will not be able to save your work" 

 

And once again sorry if this sounds harsh but we all make mistakes and we learn from them. Working on a project for more than 10 minutes with out saving has been proven to be dangerous by many. I have set up signal keystroke to save and I hit it as often as possible. Just write it of as a lesson well received. Nobody here is being purposefully mean to you.  

No John, I did NoT ignore it. I thought I activated it when prompted-thru the web and thru the bandlab assistant app. I guess what I was doing inadvertently covered\hid the warning box.

But hey, what do I know.

54 minutes ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

Maybe you should have sorted out the activation issue before doing any work.

I never had the chance until it was too late. But I guess I am not explaining that part correctly. Once again, my fault.

What's the use, obviously what happened is coming across correctly-. So to have bothered anyone.

Doubt I will return so you can all rejoice since NONE of your replies were an answer to the issue or actually understood the issue.

2 minutes ago, gustabo said:

So don't complain about losing work if you knew you wouldn't be able to save, you should have sorted out the activation before doing any work.

It was too late. The activation dialog was hidden before I realized. 

1 hour ago, Hillmy said:

I am thinking the OP is using the new Sonar and not the free Cakewalk. Looking at other threads, he probably got the new Sonar while ignoring everything about it and thinking it's just another free version. He then signs onto BandLab and thinks that will "activate" it, not knowing this is an early access version and that he has to pay the Backstage Pass membership fee to use it like the free version. He then decides to ignore all the warning signs and proceeds to work in the program then realizes he cant save and finally notices the warning signs and is confused and in panic (and still using BandLab Assistant for some reason, LOL). 

That's what I think is happening.

Nope. I am using the same CWbyBL I have been using-period.

So why is this a big fricken joke for everyone. I guess I'll have to apologize for the multiple diseases\ailments I have, many that affect my memory among many other things.
Gosh I am so sorry I have these. I mean I didn't buy them or anything They came to me free. I truly hope they never visit any of you!

Never felt the urge to share stuff like this with a forum but now I do. Hopefully I can get by without the forum going forward. I sure will try.

And YES Heathrow, I use to love the CW forums, way back when Glennbo, Susan and others were around. 

Hey maybe you guys can come up with a song, maybe name it "Way Too Much META and MYELO". Might be a hit! I can give you some other catchy ideas for titles, no problem. Just let me know. I have plenty!

Thanks so much for nothing!

1 hour ago, John Vere said:

Exactly You won’t get any sympathy from anyone you should have kept this to your self. 
 

Why would I keep it to myself if I tried everything I knew and could not get it activated? That I truly do NOT understand John.

Excuse the hell out of me for not being as a CW genius..................Used to love the CW forums. Used to...............   😞 

2 hours ago, gustabo said:

Did you not see the big warning about activation when you started Cakewalk???

Yes, so? What's your point? I tried and tried multiple times top activate it. 

Free or not should not be this difficult-YES I finally got it sorted out. Just shouldn't be this way! Like many others I have been paying since the 90's..............

Cann0ot believe no one knows. Oh well, back to reaper I guess!

Yes I remember seeing posts about activation issues but since it never happen to me I never paid attention. So did a whole bunch of work in a project and cannot activate. I have logged in and out multiple times on the web and also in the bandlab app etc etc. Finally just closed CW and lost everything. Still not activated?