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    CW Doesn't Remember Hidden Tracks

    in Cakewalk by BandLab

    Posted · Edited by Jerry Gerber

    1 hour ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

    Is your current screenset locked?

    Hey Bristol,

    You solved it for me!   Thanks.  I don't use screensets anymore as I prefer workspaces.  But the files I was having this issue on had  screensets hidden on the Control Bar locked.  As soon as I unhid them and unlocked all of them, the Hide Tracks function works again. 

    Best.,

    Jerry

     

     

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    Why is CW Not Remembering Hidden Tracks?

    in Q&A

    Posted

    I'm running the newest version of CW and have seen this issue in previous versions. 

    I have a file with 33 MIDI tracks.  After composition is complete I insert an audio track and render to the piece to audio.   If I am satisfied with the recording, I mute, archive and hide all of the MIDI files so I can focus on post-production issues and wave file enhancements. 

    When I save the file and re-open it, all of the hidden tracks, except the last one (#33) are visible.  It doesn't matter whether I use a Workspace or not.  CW doesn't remember that the tracks are hidden.   It also doesn't matter whether the tracks are muted or archived.   I've tried this on two machines, getting the same result.  CW doesn't remember hidden tracks anymore.  I've also tried this with several different .cwp files and they have the same issue.

    Might someone know what's causing this?  I have all CW folders, including all audio and midi drivers, excluded from my anti-virus software.

    Thanks,

    Jerry

    CW Doesn't Remember Hidden Tracks

    in Cakewalk by BandLab

    Posted

    3 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

    Just gave it a test on a couple of projects then - one with mostly audio tracks, and one with a crap-ton of MIDI in a big orchestral template. Both saved the state of the hidden tracks as I left it.

    Sorry, Jerry - can't reproduce here. Not sure what might be causing that. :/ 

    Hmm, I wonder what's causing this.  I'll contact CW tech support.

    Thanks for replying..

     

    CW Doesn't Remember Hidden Tracks

    in Cakewalk by BandLab

    Posted · Edited by Jerry Gerber

    I'm running the newest version of CW and have seen this issue in previous versions. 

    I have a file with 33 MIDI tracks.  After composition is complete I insert an audio track and render to the piece to audio.   If I am satisfied with the recording, I mute, archive and hide all of the MIDI files so I can focus on post-production issues and wave file enhancements. 

    When I save the file and re-open it, all of the hidden tracks, except the last one (#33) are visible.  It doesn't matter whether I use a Workspace or not.  CW doesn't remember that the tracks are hidden.   It also doesn't matter whether the tracks are muted or archived.   I've tried this on two machines, getting the same result.  CW doesn't remember hidden tracks anymore.

    Thanks,

    Jerry

     

    Closing Cakewalk Causes Kernal Corruption

    in Cakewalk by BandLab

    Posted

    Thanks Bitflipper for the successful solution to CW crashing upon closing.  I put the 4 MOTU audio and MIDI drivers in /windows/system32/drivers in the exclusion list of Windows Anti-Virus (Defender) and now I cannot get CW to crash.  Even if I close it with the file I saved without closing the file, it still won't crash.    Wonderful!!

    Jerry

    Closing Cakewalk Causes Kernal Corruption

    in Cakewalk by BandLab

    Posted

    13 hours ago, bitflipper said:

    Yay! Feels good, don't it?

    Yep!  Now I am 99.9% certain that the issue has been resolved by excluding the 4 MOTU drivers in Windows/System32/Drivers from being scanned by Window's Defender.  Yay!   I wish I had known sooner.   I cannot get CW to hang after closing, wonderful!

    Also, if anyone is having trouble opening the Theme option in Preferences/Themes (it takes a long time), do the same thing; exclude C:\Cakewalk Content (where themes are located)  from Windows Defender.  This resolves that issue as well.

    Jerry

    Closing Cakewalk Causes Kernal Corruption

    in Cakewalk by BandLab

    Posted · Edited by Jerry Gerber

    6 hours ago, bitflipper said:

    Those kinds of hangs are normally hardware or driver related.

    It happens when a process is waiting for something to happen, e.g. waiting for the MIDI interface to reply "got it!". After awhile, if that thing doesn't happen within a reasonable amount of time, you get a timeout. That means that either the software has decided that the driver isn't going to respond or the driver has decided that the hardware isn't going to respond. Either way, it's actually a useful safety mechanism because it avoids the kind of hangs where the process (or even the whole system) becomes unresponsive and you have to reboot.

    That doesn't necessarily mean your MIDI interface is at fault. You can get the same symptom from a weak spot on a conventional disk drive (this doesn't apply to your SSDs, though; it's just an example of how other hardware components can be at fault.) It could even be a faulty USB cable or USB port, assuming your interface is connected via USB (a long shot, though, since you don't seem to be having other USB-related problems such as dropped notes when recording MIDI).

    Sorry this is vague. It's just that there are many potential suspects. First thing I'd do is see if there is any relationship between the hangs and what's going on in the project. Does it happen with an empty project, where you just open CW and then close it? If not, see if it happens with just non-Kontakt instruments, or with just audio and no MIDI tracks (just import an audio file from another project to test). Try with a normal project but close CW without playing it back first, then try again closing after a full playback. Try it with a fully-rendered project (you can just freeze everything) and see if it makes a difference whether VIs are loaded or not.

    The idea is to look for any repeatable correlation, e.g. it hangs after I do this, but not if I do that. If there are no correlations to be found, start looking beyond Cakewalk. I'd test immediately after a Windows restart (not shutdown), and with/without first running other audio software. Some process unrelated to CW (but using shared resources) could be causing the problem. I assume you're not running antivirus software on your DAW, or if you do that you've whitelisted all folders having to do with audio work (sample libraries, plugins, the entire \program files\cakewalk tree).

    Hi Bitflipper,

    I think you may have solved this for me.  I placed all 4 MOTU drivers (Audio, USB, MIDI and, I think a system driver) that reside in Windows/System32/Drivers) into the Windows Defender Anti-Virus Exclusion area (whitelisted), so they are now not being scanned or monitored. 

    So far I haven't been able to get CW to stick in memory.   So, I am giving it a few days and I'll let you know for sure, but I think this has resolved the problem! I hope!

    Best,

    Jerry

     

    Closing Cakewalk Causes Kernal Corruption

    in Cakewalk by BandLab

    Posted · Edited by Jerry Gerber

    6 minutes ago, Lord Tim said:

    How'd you go with Resource Monitor or Process Monitor? Any clues?

    Not really.   I am pretty sure the MIDI interface is involved in this because if I shut it off before closing CW, either it hangs windows or it shuts down Cakewalk after I try booting CW from memory.  Since I am never sure what it will do if if shut down the MIDI interface first, I just wait a few minutes before closing CW and that does the trick.  I'd still like to know what's causing it, but composition is always the #1 priority and I've already spent too much time on this..

    Thanks!

    Jerry

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    Closing Cakewalk Causes Kernal Corruption

    in Cakewalk by BandLab

    Posted

    The only solution I have found that always works is to simply wait a few minutes after closing a file to close Cakewalk.  When I do this, Cakewalk leaves memory as expected and I can shut down the computer.  I am about 80% sure it has to do with the MIDI interface but other than continue to keep drivers updated, as I always do, I don't know what else to try..

    Thanks!

    Jerry

    Closing Cakewalk Causes Kernal Corruption

    in Cakewalk by BandLab

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, noynekker said:

    Jerry . . . do you have a startup template for every project that has some things preloaded ?  . . . ie. what happens if you start a brand new blank project, from the Normal template, type in a few midi notes, and close Cakewalk right away, does it still do it ?

    You could also do the same test, and record a bit of audio. (if you even use audio) Just to narrow down the causes. Or, does this only happen on your larger projects ?

    Hey Noynekker,

    It seems to happen on every project.  I have numerous startup templates, not sure if any of those wouldn't have this issue.  I'll try what you suggest, opening the default normal template, type in a few midi notes and close CW right away.

    Thanks,

    J

     

    Closing Cakewalk Causes Kernal Corruption

    in Cakewalk by BandLab

    Posted · Edited by Jerry Gerber

    1 hour ago, bvideo said:

    Might as well list your midi h/w interface and its driver version here and your OS version, since it's fairly likely the midi driver relates to both the hang and the crash.

    Good idea.  I'm running CW on an i7 Windows 10 machine with 32 GB RAM, 2 SSD drives and with a MOTU 1248 audio interface and a MOTU MicroLite MIDI interface.  The MIDI interface is definitely the culprit because if I turn it off after closing CW it often causes the BSOD and the kernal corruption message. 

    Both the audio and MIDI drivers are fully up-to-date and the latest that MOTU has posted on their website.  I also updated the NVIDIA video driver but I don't think that's related to this problem.

    If I close a CW file and wait 3 or 4 minutes before closing CW, the issue doesn't happen.

    Thanks,

    Jerry

     

     

    Closing Cakewalk Causes Kernal Corruption

    in Cakewalk by BandLab

    Posted

    4 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

    It sounds like it's trying to unload a large synth library or something like that, and not releasing properly until it does (any Baker, feel free to come in and tell me to sit down and be quiet if I'm way off base here!)

    Try opening up Resource Monitor and have it filter for Cakewalk.exe and see what it does when you exit - that should give you an idea of what's still happening there. A better tool is probably Process Monitor, but it's a bit more complex too. This should at least narrow the reason down a bit to see if anything can be done about it.

    Thanks!  I hope the Resource Monitor will give me a bit more information as to what's going on.  If I wait a few minutes after closing a file before closing CW, I don't have this issue, so something must be slow to leave memory..

     

    Long Existing Bug in Find/Change (Interpolate)

    in Cakewalk by BandLab

    Posted · Edited by jsg

    With further investigation, I've narrowed down this bug in the Find-Change dialogue box:

    When converting C#s to D-flats using find/change, using the question mark to have the conversion affect all octaves of C# will not work.  With this particular enharmonic conversion, you must designate the actual octave, so inputting C#5 to D-flat5 or C#3 to D-flat3 will work successfully.

    This is the only enharmonic equivalent that I have found that has this bug.  Even going from D-flat? to C#? will work, just not in the opposite direction.

    This bug has existed since Sonar, but I, and perhaps others, have neglected to report it until now.

    Thanks,

    Jerry

    Slow Movement from Symphony #7

    in Songs

    Posted

    7 hours ago, AndyB01 said:

    Hi Jerry, interesting piece, both contemporary and traditional instruments and effects blend really well. Such a rich tapestry of sound, beautifully and intricately woven. Highly enjoyable.

    Andy

    Hi Andy,

    Thanks for listening and commenting! 

    Best,

    Jerry

    Slow Movement from Symphony #7

    in Songs

    Posted

    5 minutes ago, bjornpdx said:

    Dreamy.  I like the combination of traditional instruments and synth sounds. I think you said once you do everything in the piano roll view? Which is amazing to me.
    -Bjorn

    Hi Bjorn, 

    No, I've never in my life used the piano roll view for composition. I compose in the staff view, and make use of the event list and the controllers view often. 

    Thank you for listening and commenting, glad you enjoyed the movement! 

    Jerry 

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