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IS there a direct link to download the full Cakewalk installer instead of the update for archiving?

The app only downloads the update.  I'm sure it's not the full installer.

Tired of these download apps.

I wonder if the same thing exists for mounting SSDs.   I'd so love that.

20 minutes ago, CSistine said:

I've looked at the page and reading the instructions my hair stood on end, really! I'll avoid such plugin developers (even for free)!

I maybe a plugin horder, but God forbid, I am really no Installation Manager horder! 😉 

This is starting to turn me off to where using DAW  software is a chore.   I don't mind it for gaming.

Do I need this if I have Ozone?  I don't need another proprietary installer.

10 hours ago, Carl Ewing said:

FYI: RX11 pre-sale just announced.

https://www.izotope.com/en/products.html/

https://www.pluginboutique.com/deals/show?sale_id=16039

Since Plugin Boutique is also offering the pre-sale, that should mean that purchasing of RX 10 Elements now SHOULD theoretically allow the free upgrade to RX11 Elements when it's released.

Edit: Just realized the Elements sale is over and it's back to $50. So I'm curious if someone registers their earlier purchase today / tomorrow, etc. if the grace period will apply. Hmm.

RX 10 Standard is $99 at Izotope.

4 minutes ago, Kirean said:

Yeah. This is essentially not a deal since most of those plugins have been available for $29.99 or below. 

Now, even with the voucher, most plugins are more expensive than that.

Basically, whole thing makes no sense whatsoever.

Reminds me of the NI never used vouchers.  Hmmmm now we know where that came from.

I don't if anything has changed with nvme but you loose a SATA port for each one unless that has changed.

I'm not a fan of putting all of my eggs in one basket with storage. I prefer more 2TB SSD drives than say a large 8TB.  I still install SATAs because it's easier.

But when you have 3 systems adding SSDs gets expensive,  

Since I got the Musio deal I bought a portable nvme just for it. 

There are docks that once you pay for them do you have any money left for drives? 

I speak from a budget perspective. 

I have all of my SATA ports used up.  I still keep HDDs and a DVD drive. 

It's nice to put Komplete or IK Total Studio on a SSD drive but you have to assess what are you going to use from them?

I start to think of drive management much differently these days.  

nvme are quite fast but my life isn't dependent on it and a SATA SSD works for me as internal drives.  As for portable I'll go with nvme.

12 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

Pro Tools, the Word Perfect of DAW's. I don't consider them an industry leader these days.

I know the issue is hardware support, and the Linux rah-rahs' lament/excuse has been that since the big guys don't ship DAW's for Linux, there's no incentive for interface makers to provide drivers, blah blah blah.

My theory is that PreSonus just got tired of the whining and slapped it together to shut them up.

The DAW that Linux users should adopt and be happy with is REAPER, which has similar appeal and even UX. Then they can join the REAPER hordes and clutter up discussions of other products with their preaching.

I'll go with Jim's theory as a tax write off.

As for Pro Tools if you wanna work with the big boys you better know how to use it,  They are the industry standard and if they ever consider the make believe world of Linux they and Steinberg will set the stage.  I can't overlook the "lets try to make a Linux version and let's see how far we can put people into a sub.

 Developing for 3 platforms will only create **** development and let's not forget the endless Linux distros.

Read Jim's post over and over again. 

7 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said:

TBF, PreSonus is a larger DAW developer and have tossed their hat into the Linux ring.

At this point, I'd say to the Linux advocates "you got your top tier DAW, so you can't use the excuse that big developers are 'cowardly.'"

If they're right, then Studio One on Linux would be the tipping point, but it ain't gonna do it.

At least when one drops into this forum and starts begging for CS to go Linux, we have somewhere to point them. Studio One is at least every bit as capable as CS, and they've jumped into Linux, so reward them for their bravery.

As Jim said maybe they need a tax write off.   Let me know when Pro Tools goes this direction.  The issue is hardware support.

I best Presonus who no seems to come up with recent stupid ideas probably has one person working on it part time and probably a relative of someone higher up.

On 4/8/2024 at 7:53 AM, Jim Roseberry said:

My intention isn't to rain on anyone's parade.  

I've spent nearly my entire adult life using PC DAWs.

Started with Quad Studio (virtually unusable), moved to S.A.W. (rock-solid), and then Cakewalk Pro Audio 4.0 (first version to support both MIDI and Audio recording).

 

For those of us who lived thru the first 30 years of PC DAW development.

• Waiting for rock-solid super low round-trip latency
• Waiting for realtime plugins
• And then waiting for high quality realtime plugins
• And waiting even further for tools like Melodyne, Stem separation, etc

Why step backward 30 years? 

Other than ideology, I can't think of any practical reason to consider Linux as a serious DAW platform.

 

If you want to experiment, solve problems... it can be an interesting learning experience (similar to building a Hackintosh).

If you're looking for a practical full-featured DAW (including top-tier virtual-instruments and plugins), you're going to be waiting for a LONG time.

 

I've said this many times: Linux DAWs are a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

People complain about Windows as a DAW platform... because it's so wide-open (to support many different hardware/software configurations).

Linux has many distros... and for the most part, you're left to problem-solve on your own.  

Another thing to think about is that there's no real profit in Linux plugin development (because the market is extremely niche).

Factor in a tough business economy... and risk-management.  If you're the head of a software company... and you're responsible for how development resources are spent, are you going to risk your career on Linux... or go with a larger proven market (Windows/OSX)?

 

All that said, if you're willing to live with the limitations/quirks/eccentricities of Linux as a DAW platform, more power to you. 

This should be a sticky for Stop Whining About Importing to Linux.  Like every larger DAW developer has said it's not worth the investment. 

23 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

You were curious and you gave it a shot, and I thank you for doing it so that I don't have to. The Linux rah-rahs have been overselling its capabilities for 25 years.

It's still great for keeping old low-end hardware useful for things like web browsing and office apps. I have an old iMac that was hopelessly slow, wiped it and put on some light Linux build or other and it works great. Pretty much useless, as I have other computers to do those mundane tasks, and nobody else I know is in need of a computer that can only do those tasks. But it was a fun exercise.

 I tried that Linux train enough to finally realize that Lucy is never going to hold that football for Charlie Brown. 

 If one wants a Linux DAW buy the Ableton Push standalone for $3K.   Linux does exist in the DAW world.

On 4/8/2024 at 9:34 AM, mister_tea said:

wishing them the best for the next years, and hoping the "new era" is not a subscription model  

the sub pandemic is live and well

I never get those notifications either from my email registered in 8dio. I do get them in my other 2 accounts.  The file size for something called alien drum is a bit ridiculous.  If you used it in a mix I guess you would have to mention, "check out the alien drum in this. Doesn't it sound great?"

File size turns me off to anything Soundpaint.

On 4/6/2024 at 2:35 PM, Byron Dickens said:

Yet more reasons why Linux is not ready for prime time.

more like never

I like what Jim says about Linux

5 hours ago, PavlovsCat said:

They started out by positioning Musio as inferior to the KONTAKT versions but later made statements that made that less clear.  It seems like they're changing things. 

I'm definitely watching and may come aboard in time.  Of course,  they make some gorgeous libraries. I just want a little more  confidence that this player/format will be around in 3 years before I commit to another sample format/ plugin.  

There's always something out there to replace them.  It's always a risk.  People can still run Gigastudio (GVI) to some extent and the Yellow Tools libraries are under Magix but users move on.

8 minutes ago, PavlovsCat said:

@jude77 Just think, for two whole weeks we can create deal threads without finding out Larry already posted about the same deal already! 

But two weeks-- I seriously doubt Fleer can go that long without creating a thread about how much he misses Larry and before you know it, we'll all be joining in! Oh well, I suppose for the next couple weeks I'll start some deal threads too (and hopefully won't find that Larry already posted them before he left!). 

Just think how many of them will be half-assed with no link or using acronyms. 

BTW most of you should already have this if you have the latest release of Komplete.

1 hour ago, Fleer said:

I guess many of us with Kontakt versions of these libraries are waiting to get their Musio versions before diving in. 

Someone bought Music who have Kontakt because they didn't want the whole Cine Percussion on their drive. I guess the a la cart works.

56 minutes ago, GoncaloL said:

The lack of traction for this product is bafling, it seems a good product at a good price and no one really cares🤷🏻‍♂️

I worry for those guys at cinesamples 

Do we really know for sure?

2 hours ago, pwal³ said:

the only one i'm seeing is NTKDaemon.exe - -what are the others?

That's the one they f'update the most.

5 minutes ago, pwal³ said:

Agree, but it's there

Give MS some time and it wont.  Look how they screwed up start menus. 

17 minutes ago, PavlovsCat said:

Man, I've had a bunch of conversations with 8Dio's CEO and she's been very passionate that prices for sample libraries need to come down.

But it's one thing to discuss ideas, it's a whole other level to see those ideas happen. It's an amazing time to be a musician who uses sample libraries. Yes, lowering prices for libraries makes them more accessible-- which is great,  IMO. It also can bring out enormous hostility from competitors in this business,  which I witnessed from the inside in this case. 

My hope is that 8Dio's moves like this to dramatically reduce prices of premium sample libraries result in prices  coming down overall for sample libraries.  The market has become mature. It's still experiencing healthy growth,  but tighter margins will absolutely mean that some marginal players won't survive. It also means that paying back production costs of very niche libraries is going to take a longer period of time-- which was a giant part of why a couple of competitors launched a public smear / defamation campaign against 8Dio last year  -- and unsuccessfully tried to keep me from sharing what was going on (I actually didn't know the 8Dio's CEO until then). 

Anyhow, even if this deal doesn't appeal to you, it does represent something major for the industry.  

The first one to do this was Garritan with GPO.  Back in the Northern Sound Source days they banned EW since they gave him a hard time over it.  They failed to realize this was a starter type library and was around 4GB.  I still love GPO if you want to create something quick.   

Most 8dio libraries were developed for Kontakt 5.  There's not much overhead.

The problem with orchestra libraries is it's hard to reinvent the wheel. People are into shiny and new.   It's hard to comp up with new ideas for Strats and Les Pauls.  Wind instruments don't have new innovations.   I find serious professionals don't go for shiny and new.

1 minute ago, pwal³ said:

msconfig is your friend

Shouldn't have to do that.   Most apps have that option not to start up.   

4 hours ago, MrFigg said:

It's not the space which is the issue. It's the NI folders and files all over the place which are left even after installation and need to be removed manually.

Some people don't like iLok. I don't like NI. That's pretty much the state of things on my end.

Such as?   So far they delete those large libraries after installing which sucks since you have to archive after installed.  The last think I want to do when replacing a drive is to download all of those large files and some ISPs warn you about downloading to much.  I can reinstall all of my IK, VSL, non player Kontakt libraries without using the net.