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I prefer Bird’s Rolling Sampler. I really didn’t like the waveform display on Rewind. https://www.birdsthings.com ($19) There are trials for both so you can decide for yourself. 

Installed the 30-day demo. Pretty interesting and unique even in stereo. I need to delve deeper. Just went through some presets. Heavy CPU usage.

On 3/26/2023 at 3:08 PM, husker said:

Non concur. In my almost 30 years as an IT professional, I have yet to see one company move to exclusive subscriptions, then move back to offer perpetual licenses.

Never say never 😉

Just got the email that Waves is bringing back perpetual licenses! Wow. 😲

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Dear Waves community, 

 

 My name is Meir Shashoua, and I’m the CTO and Co-Founder of Waves Audio. 

 

 Over the past few days, many of you have expressed concerns about our decision to discontinue perpetual plugin licenses and our move to an exclusive plugin subscription model. I would like to start by apologizing for the frustration we have caused many of you, our loyal customers. We understand that our move was sudden and disruptive, and did not sufficiently take into consideration your needs, wishes, and preferences. We are genuinely sorry for the distress it has caused. 

 

 After respectfully listening to your concerns, I want to share with you that we are bringing back the perpetual plugin license model, side-by-side with the new subscriptions. You will again be able to get plugins as perpetual licenses, just as before. 

 

 In addition, those of you who already own perpetual licenses will once again be able to update your plugins and receive a second license via the Waves Update Plan—again, just as before. This option, too, will be available alongside and independently of the subscription program. 

 

 We are currently putting all our efforts into making perpetual licenses available to you again, as quickly as possible. In the meantime, you can keep up-to-date on this news page, where we will post the latest updates on perpetual license availability. 

 

 I would like you to know that we are committed to you, our users. We listened to your feedback, and we will continue to listen to you. Waves is a company filled with users and creators, just like you, and we are all as passionate about the products as you are. With this in mind, we will strive to find the way to make things right by you, and hopefully regain your trust. 

 

 Thank you for your feedback and continued support—I wish you all the best, 

 

 Meir Shashoua
CTO and Co-Founder, Waves Audio

Got the Waves email and immediately came here to witness the fallout. I wasn't disappointed. 😬👍

I try not to buy hardware until absolutely need it. It will always be cheaper in the future. 

2 minutes ago, Grem said:

This is what kept me away.

Yeah, Unify is pretty much impossible to describe concisely. There's something for everyone. I only stumbled onto it when I was looking for a faster way to route MIDI from a MIDI FX to an instrument back in 2020. Then I learned it does this...and it does that...and even this??? Holy Cow!

29 minutes ago, abacab said:

If you really think about it, John came up with this idea after decades as a sound designer and former KORG employee, and more recently with his own PluginGuru "label" that has produced sound packs and presets for many leading synths.

Unify is apparently the product of all the features he wished he had access to inside of one program that did not exist. So he hired Shane Dunne, PhD Computer Science, to do the programming. https://getdunne.com/

Shane took John's specs and developed Unify using JUCE, a framework for audio application and plug-in development. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JUCE

They work together to test and get the features working correctly. A very small team with big ideas! I guess you could say that Unify likely represents John's mind and years of sound design experience in code. That probably explains its depth, and supposedly its appeal to MIDI geeks...

Additionally, I think he wanted to be able to sell libraries with copy protection. Can't blame him. Man's gotta eat.

That said, for the amount of work he puts into the libraries and the power of Unify, he charges more than a fair price even non-sale. I really commend him and try to support him and his team as much as I can.

8 minutes ago, abacab said:

The "lots of possibilities" is rather huge, and that IMO is what keeps many potential Unify users away, as in what the heck is Unify?

There is a clear opportunity for PluginGuru to produce some professional "Unify for Dummies" getting started videos to remove some of the mystery from this awesome tool! That is especially important because 99% of the great Unify features are invisible just by glancing at the GUI, which is rather opaque and not very user-friendly until you get some experience with it.

But there really is nothing else that compares to what Unify can do!

If you casually just watch the majority of PluginGuru videos, you would dismiss Unify as just something that layers instruments or just a rompler or a one-button song machine. Sadly, that's where the whole "I can do that in my DAW" metality comes from. It takes a bit of homework to come to the "ah-ha" moment and you realize that Unify is a game-changer.

I get why John pushes those features. It's cool. It's eye candy. However, unfortunately, I think it undermines how powerful Unify is beyond those things.

17 hours ago, abacab said:

Provides a preset browser via Unify patches for plugins that don't have modern browsing or search abilities. Also has a "favorites" tagging system.

This is a biggy. How many instruments sound awesome, but have a lame preset browser and no way to favorite? Too many just rely on the OS file manager. Unify lets you favorite presets, add categories, add notes, and more. It’s simple to do this for any instrument, even if it hasn’t been “Unified”. 

If your reason for not getting Unify is your DAW can do it, then you don't understand Unify.

It’s all about the workflow. Sure, you could do everything Unify does in a DAW, but Unify makes things easy. I like to use it to quickly set up MIDI routing which can be a pain. It does so much more than just layering different instruments. It's kinda like a DAW in a plugin. 

1 hour ago, Zo said:

Look at starsky video to se how far it is from the HW lol it will mkae you richer ahahah ...

Being different from the hardware has never kept me from buying anything in the past! LOL

DAMMIT! I do not need another great CA VSTi that I never remember to use!

That said, for near 40 bucks, I'm not sure how long I can hold out.

I'm still mad at myself for picking the Roland JX8P over the DX7 when I was in Japan in 1986. 😖😖😖

I've had this since the first release and keep it updated, but somehow I always seem to gravitate to Scaler, Captain, or, more recently, Klimper.

Tried the demo and this thing sounds wonderful. The cryptic message saying u can only use alpha presets in the demo means only the presets with the Greek alpha symbol next to the preset's star work. There must be a lot of interest cuz their site is getting slammed.

Well, I am subscriber 42 and totally expect answers to life, the universe and everything. 😬

2 minutes ago, mibby said:

Thanks for all of the input guys!  I ended up springing for a 48'' LG UHD OLED monitor on a huge sale at lg.com and rationalized that this is one purchase I don't want to and probably won't be able to make again. Once I get my studio all put together I'll figure out if it was the right choice.  🙃

Congrats. About the same size as mine. You'll love it!

I used a 49" TCL 4K monitor. I chose that size because the DPI is close to the twin 1920 x 1200 Samsung monitors I'd been using. I could never go back. Probably, the only con is that sometimes you will have to move your head more and even stand up to read things. If you wear prescription glasses, definitely get some computer glasses. RTings site mentioned above is a must-read. 

Happy and safe holidays to all. 🙏🏻

💯

Happy Holidays everyone!

Couple notes for Windows, not sure if this affects Macs:

1. After you uninstall 1.7, which must do, you have to also manually delete the 1.7 .DLL plug-in files. Here's the full uninstall instructions https://support.wavedna.com/hc/en-us/articles/218390828-How-to-Uninstall-Liquid-Rhythm-Liquid-Music-on-Windows

2. The 1.8 installer puts the VST3 files in the same folder as the VST2 files. Ableton at least doesn't like this and I had to manually move the VST3 files to the proper folder. 

3. The 1.8 VST2 files are named differently than the 1.7 versions in that they don't have "64" at the end. Thus, any old projects won't load the plugins. My solution is to have duplicate VST2 files with one set having the 64 at the end (eg LiquidMusic64.dll)

4. The 1.8 installer mentions Unity plugins, but you can ignore because it should have been removed as they don't work. 

Glen at WaveDNA is aware. 

Boy, looks like ya had a ton of fun. Nice!

Darn nice sounding filter. Hard to believe they're giving it away 🤔

6 minutes ago, Topcheese said:

I also felt it was kind of clunky to use, but I liked what they was trying to do with it.  It wasn't as bad if you didn't try to run multiple instances of it, but I'd use it on a couple of songs here and there.

When my machine crashed, they reset it and gave me the update for free.  I never had any problems contacting support, and the response was decent.  I'll probably pick it up when I get a chance, but I'm using an older iMac(2012) so it may not even run.

I'm just happy to see that they still working on it.

My experience with support has been good.  

23 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

 I feel insulted by these developers.  They never had their shit together as far as having your product in your account ect.   Funny how Hornet can get the "little things" right.  This was at one time was almost vaporware.   I deleted LR from my system so I would not be annoyed Java.   There's waaaaaaaaaaaaay to much stuff out there that is superior.

 I'd give my money to Waves on a WUP before these developers/

I guess I can understand your opinion. FWIW the 1.8 version does away with the JAVA version issue in 1.7. They licensed JAVA and its now embedded in the plugin.

1 hour ago, Yan Filiatrault said:

My upgrade offer is 29$

The Java licensing and Apple M1 support undoubtedly added to development cost. I would hazard to guess they need a cash infusion and are also testing the waters to see if 2.0 is worth doing. I like the uniqueness of the product and will support the dev with fingers crossed. 🤞