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  1. Rhenn

    Channel confusion and EastWest Play

    Addendum to last post: "Add Track" dialog makes this easier: Select Split Instrument Track, All Stereo option. This will create 8 stereo audio tracks pre-patched to Play, but just 1 midi track. So you still have to add the additional midi tracks for each instrument. I setup a test project and loaded 4 pianos in Play. Setup the 1st midi track, then duplicated, then changed midi channel for each and labeled the tracks. Just delete any unneeded tracks. Screenshot below. (BTW, I can deactivate/reactivate all mic positions in Play without issue on my system.) Not sure why you can't - could be memory or config issue. Are you using SSDs for your sample drives?
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    Channel confusion and EastWest Play

    JKO, Re: separate bounces: Let’s assume we have: 1 Play instance with say 5 instruments loaded. CbB is setup with separate midi tracks (5), and 1 audio track pointed to the Play main outs. (NOT setup as a single Instrument Track, IOW). Since there’s only one audio track, anything we bounce/freeze has no where to go but to the one audio track. In order to have discrete bounces for each instrument, we must setup multiple audio tracks in CbB, one for each output we want to address in Play. So we must add 4 more audio tracks (for a total of 5), and point each track input to the corresponding output in Play. You may not have noticed in the lower right hand corner of the Play Instrument GUI there is an output selector drop down box. That’s where we select the independent outputs for each instrument which we will send to the CbB audio tracks. In this scenario we wind up with 2 tracks for each instrument, 1 midi, 1 audio. And even more if we use dedicated keyswitch tracks. Which is a lot of tracks, so track folders come in handy, as does the Track Manager for hiding tracks in TV and/or Console. And, since there’s a fair amount of work involved in setting this all up, Track Templates are indispensable.
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    Legacy Sonar 2.2 program

    @chrismohr: I have an orig 2.0 disk, and 2nd disk containing 2.1 and 2.2 patches. Would be happy to send to you, gratis. BTW, I went to your website - interesting stuff. Would love to hear some of your 53-eq music. I too was born in ‘53, and studied composition at one of the top schools. Studied briefly with a fellow who was a champion of quarter tone music, but I could never understand the appeal. Just sounded WAY out of tune to me. So I would be interested to learn more about a microtonal system that sounds ‘perfectly in tune’... PM your address and I’ll send you those disks if you haven’t sourced them elsewhere.
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    Channel confusion and EastWest Play

    Your plan to load the KS Masters will work, but is resource intensive if you load a lot of instruments. Keep in mind you can unload any articulations you don’t need from the Play Instrument window. Cakewalk will remember the settings when you save the project. You can always reload any arts if/when you need them later. See attached screenshot. Check out pgs 66-68 of Play 6 manual for helpful info. Re: not loading individual instruments inside a single Play instance, depending on the instrument, you might be able to use the same technique: Load all the instruments you want, then selectively uncheck the “load” boxes in the Play interface. Not sure if all instruments have that option though. Or, try unchecking ALL mic positions - that might unload all samples? Lastly, you could try doing a purge with an empty project from the Plan min menu. Hopefully one of those methods will work - I’m not at my DAW so I can’t confirm. If all else fails, you can use the Synth Rack on/off switch to deactivate individual Play instances. IIRC the Synth Rack has to be floating or docked in the MultiDock for the “power switch” to appear in upper left hand corner. In your example, load each piano in a separate instance. Point your midi track to each instance in turn until you find the sound you want, then turn off the ones you don’t want. You could save that setup as a template for future use.
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    Channel confusion and EastWest Play

    Jko, Welcome to my world. No easy answers, but you are on the right track. Re:your ?s: 1: Yes. Use EW Master patches to switch arts on the fly. Masters use more resources but so does uploading lots of Elements. No free lunch. I use 64gb ram which helps but is overkill most of the time. Note you can unload individual arts in the Play window until if/when you need them. Again, saving everything the way you like it in a Track Template is the way to go. 2: If you are low on memory or CPU, you can just load the Elements you need. When you get a full orchestra going w/>100 tracks, it starts to add up. And yes if you have a slow legato patch loaded and need fast legato or whatever, you have to add another track with an appropriate patch. That’s why orchestral mock-ups can have hundreds or even thousands of tracks, using multiple master/slave computers. I use EWSO, HW Strings, Cinematic Studio Strings, Spitfire Chamber Strings, and many others. All work and respond differently which makes this even more challenging. But it keeps getting better all the time, so keep at it until you find your way forward. I just ran across the following old forum thread about using CbB Drum Maps as a key switch mechanism. Brilliant idea, but complicated to setup. I’m traveling today but plan to implement asap. Will report back if I have any success. http://forum.cakewalk.com/m/tm.aspx?m=3733731&p=1#msg3733731 (See Bristol Jonesey’s detailed instructions) The other idea to copy midi clips to the media browser is also interesting but is much less robust. Still worth trying. Good luck!
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    Channel confusion and EastWest Play

    JKO, Fellow EW Play user here. More than one way to skin a cat, that’s for sure. So-called articulation switching is a major workflow issue, which varies significantly between DAWs. EW provides the Master/Elements patches so users can work however they prefer, depending to some degree on which DAW they use. Cubase, for ex., offers “Expression Maps”, which purports to simplify matters. I would love to see CbB introduce something similar. In the meantime, you are correct - if you use the Master patch, you MUST use Keyswitches, which as you noted, adds complexity and undesired consequences (notation is scrambled with non-musical Keyswitch “notes”, for ex.) You also have to be very careful where you place the Keyswitches in the time line, and make sure you start the transport before all applicable keyswitch notes. This is how I usually work, and it’s a pain. The alternative; using multiple tracks with different articulations/patches, I find is worse. It’s non-musical, and a workflow killer. You have to parse out your musical lines to multiple tracks, by copy/paste/duplicate, then mute or delete unwanted notes. Total pain in my view, so I choose the lesser evil of keyswitches. I don’t think multiple outs will solve your problem; that’s more of a routing/mixing/busing tool. The other issue is how many instances of Play to use. Widely debated. I tend to load one instance per group of similar instruments. Either violins, violas, cellos, etc., or Winds/Brass/Strings/Perc., etc. depending on how big and involved the project. Track Templates are a life saver! HTH!
  7. Long time Sonar/Cake user here - using latest CbB - looking for help managing projects with >100+ tracks... similar to the Piano Roll Track Filter? Love the way you can add custom filters to Track Filter and quickly hide/show different groups of tracks according to your needs. Same functionality in Track View would be awesome. I can only get part of the way there with Track folders. (nested Track folders might help - is that a possibility?) (Track Manager would benefit from “Collapse all folders” button when you have many folders). A related wish list item is “show tracks with data” (hide all empty tracks). Any thoughts on this, or workaround ideas? Many thanks, Randy
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