PavlovsCat

2 minutes ago, Esteban Villanova said:

I'm not going to read your enormous whines. Move on.

Report this individual, folks.  Two policy violations. A political/bigoted post and then an inflammatory post against another member. We are responsible for ensuring this remains a friendly,  civil forum. This individual serially does not represent those values. 

23 hours ago, Esteban Villanova said:

They fired their most visionary co-founder for refusing to cave to the woke mob...

This isn't the place to voice political / anti LGBTQ views.

Also,  you got the whole thing wrong. Henson has a child who is transgender and tweeted a myth that re assignment surgery is happening to young children. That's factually untrue.  The term "woke"  is a long time African-American slang term referring to people being aware and empathetic to the injustices of others. A mob never formed against Henson. Leaders in the LGBTQ community asked for a discussion.  Henson refused and quit. Spitfire has LGBTQ employees and that was clearly an issue. 

There's no woke mob. Leave your politics and intolerance off this forum, please. There are forum members of all races, ethnicities, nationalities, political views, genders and sexual orientations and all deserve to be treated with respect, not intolerance.  You might not like people who are different from you, but you don't have the right to make this forum hostile to those people. 

Welcome back, Larry! We missed you, of course, but it's far more important -- and good to know -- that you're enjoying life! Looking forward to the pix and the stories. 

Hmm... Capitol Chambers for $49 US.... Tempting. The demos sound beautiful to my ears. 

12 minutes ago, Hillmy said:

It's funny that I keep adding the free waves plugins to my account but I will not install anything related to Waves in my PC. I get them to satisfy my G.A.S. even though I will never use them! 😆

I'm very confident that you're not alone. It's pretty clear from posts that a great deal of us hoard plugins and sample libraries,  especially when they're free. 

1 minute ago, jesse g said:

PavlovsCat,

 I swore off Waves plugins because of the WUP, but since it's FREE, I will let this one go.  Remember,  just this one time only, don't make it a habit.   😁

I generally avoid Waves for the same reason. But I do love their Abbey Road plugins and I'll absolutely take another free plugin (I already have this one,  since it just means a newer plugin with no need for WUP). But I've never had a Waves plugin stop working on me to date, so, I've never had to buy WUP. 

10 minutes ago, TheSteven said:

self respect is a requirement?

Jeez, next they'll require talent...

Fortunately, talent has never been a factor.

4 hours ago, Last Call said:

I didn't bother to see what this plugin does, but... I GOT IN!!! Yes!

Come on, what kind of self respecting hoarders would we be if we took the time to figure out what a FREE limited time plug does before we download it???

No way. Download, then figure out what it does!!!! There are only 200 licenses. Wait. We've become the equivalent of Pavlov's Dog but instead  of a belll, we're triggered by the word "Free!" and especially when it's followed by "limited time" and/or "quantity. All these devs have our number. They have my number and I'm supposedly an expert marketer and understand how the formula works (it doesn't stop me from succumbing to it). 

Let the jokes about WUP begin....

Visit this page NOW to claim a free Waves Kramer HLS Channel plugin.  The offer runs until 9am EST on April 14th:

https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2024/04/11/free-waves-plugin/?fbclid=IwAR3Vv91z7nkOqkIOuq2ihJAmf2T-_yQFL69bPIjhk1nFn4zrCr1e2KC9mcM

I only have Sky Box's 145B Wurli library and it's superb (I bought it on the recommendations of two forum members). Based upon the quality -- and creativity of the snapshots-- of that library, I agree with Craig and Fleer that this is an excellent developer.  If I wasn't watching my budget and have a bunch of pianos,  I'd likely get this. The demos sound excellent and that's a great price for this level of quality.  

Splash Sound, a KONTAKT sample developer, has released a plugin featuring a djembe sample library (not in the KONTAKT format, but available in their own plugin) simply called Djembe, and it's free. 

From the developer:
For recording we used a 10-inch handmade mahogany djembe with a genuine leather membrane

We recorded 3 microphone positions to maximum sound flexibility: The main condenser microphone capturing the vibrant membrane sounds, a dynamic microphone positioned opposite from the djembe's resonator for depth, and condenser stereo pair for recording room's acoustics

Each of the articulations (Bass tone, Open tone, Slap tone, Flam, Mute and Roll) is recorded in 4 levels of velocity and 5 layers of round robin.

GENERAL INFO:

Version: 2.0.1
Released: April 9, 2024
Made for: Windows 7 or newer / MacOS 10.14 or newer
Plugin Formats: VST3, AU, Standalone App

FEATURES:

6 types of articulations: Bass tone, Open tone, Slap tone, Flam, Mute and Roll
Velocity: 4 layers
Round Robin 5 layers

SOUND CONTROL:

3 fader mixer: Top (membrane) mic, Resonator mic, Room stereo pair.
Reverb send
Reverb size
 

SAMPLES:

285 WAV samples (HR Compression)
44.1kHz / 24bit, stereo
Total samples size: 98,9 Mb

https://splashsound.org/djembe.html

Astro??? I love Astro! 

 

Lots of speculation why Behringer pulled this and if it's temporary or permanent. (I wasn't able to pick it up before it was taken down and thought I'd share a video of someone walking through the synth's presets). 

The developer behind Tone2 is publicly sharing concerns that Behringer has infringed upon his intellectual property rights. Some are wondering if that has anything to do with the synth suddenly being pulled with no statement from the company.  

46 minutes ago, Kirean said:

Like I said. Neither do I.

So my guess is that their email targeting got some things wrong. It's not rare with small retailers. They're mostly using Shopify and connect it up to some email marketing SaaS, and this stuff can be tricky, so there's a fairly decent probability of user error. Hence, when some people on the email list who don't actually own a library get sent an email with an upgrade offer for something they don't own and others who don't own the library don't get that same email.  Email lists are very highly personalized these days with tons of criteria that determines what an email subscriber sees. If the person administrating the software gets something a little off, you can wind up getting offers that weren't intended for you based on your buying behavior. 

I admit, while I've given SoundPaint advice and am friends with their CEO, I want to buy Alien drum and searched my email for that deal -- which I am guessing would be expired by now. But I didn't get it and I'm on the 8Dio and SoundPaint email lists.  I already own a few detailed hang drum libraries (including SonicCoture's), but I'm in love with the sound of the hang drum and this library sounds gorgeous -- plus I've really gotten deeper into programming SoundPaint than any other sampler. 

But I suppose I didn't get this email because I don't own the KONTAKT version of Alien Drum. 

1 hour ago, Kreveta Puket said:

Im 100% in And super idea make IT here ;))

We could always do a Reddit or, if enough people are interested,  I've always contemplated starting a forum that was much like this one, but where developers were more involved and users could get their attention to have a good channel of feedback,  but without the kind of developer-centric, money driven approach of VI-CONTROL, the inherent bias of having a developer against competitors and with strong policy and enforcement against shilling, bullying, trolling, political, and discriminatory posts.

I've ran several forums over the decades, but they were all tied to business. I am here out of my love for music, so I'd love to do it. I've talked to several developers over the years who said they'd participate if I did it. The greatest challenge would be building the traffic, the users. I know I'd want cclarry there -- Larry is what made this sub forum what it is. Anyhow, it would be a hobby project for me. But considering that digital has been my living since the 90s, I think I can create something better for musicians than what exists.  But I'll only do it if a bunch of people are on board, and we'll need moderators too. 

These posts make me wish the forum added a section where we could trade vsts and sample libraries.  A lot of us here buy a lot of stuff, and find out some of it isn't a fit for us, but someone else may love it. If anyone knows how to make that happen, I think it'd be a great feature. 

10 hours ago, bitflipper said:

Cool! Perhaps my reservations are unwarranted then. Assuming, of course, that promise exists somewhere in writing.

Those promises mean little if they file bankruptcy (a chapt 11 or a 7).  But let's say they go under and hold to that promise, then you have a bunch of sample libraries in a proprietary format that work until your OS or DAW has an update that causes a conflict, then you're out of luck. At least KONTAKT has a pretty stable company behind it. If they had a similar offer for libraries in the KONTAKT format,  that had less features than their regular KONTAKT versions as is the case with Musio  -- I would have grabbed that in a heartbeat, of course. 

1 hour ago, antler said:

Are they still using that strategy? I got the impression they're pretty much fully committed to Musio now. Also, some have no Kontakt equivalent, e.g. CineStrings Pro, Women of the North (the female counterpart to the Men of the North library).

As you've mentioned, they are targeting the non-established composer end of the market; they have podcasts on subjects pro composers would already have knowledge on, e.g. the business end of getting into composing.

They started out by positioning Musio as inferior to the KONTAKT versions but later made statements that made that less clear.  It seems like they're changing things. 

I'm definitely watching and may come aboard in time.  Of course,  they make some gorgeous libraries. I just want a little more  confidence that this player/format will be around in 3 years before I commit to another sample format/ plugin.  

4 hours ago, GoncaloL said:

You’re right we dont, but social media traction at least, if you see posts about this product rarely have any traction at all. Their own videos on youtube not much traction too.

i dont get why, because it seems a good product with an attractive price when on sale (199$ for all those libraries)

But maybe Fleer is right, most of those libraries are not recent and are already owned in kontakt by most of the people who could see the value in this product.

 

I get your point @GoncaloL and I think traction at forums,  social media and YouTube is a decent reflection of popularity of a developer's brand and, in this case,  sample libraries/plugins. Cinesamples is a very established brand in this industry with a solid reputation for excellent quality libraries. I think the challenge is related to it being existing multi sample libraries on a new platform. The initial communication from them (Mike) was that these libraries would always be inferior to the KONTAKT versions, so I think that communication had an impact on the market reaction. Add to that, a lot of this market is heavily invested in KONTAKT. 

That doesn't mean they can't succeed with a proprietary sample player platform of their own,  it just means it's a lot more work to persuade the market that this platform has some value that makes it worth switching. In this case,  Cinesamples is appealing on trading price for functionality.  I think that's a big part of why the line hasn't had a more enthusiastic response. 

I'd also consider that one of the partners had left Cinesamples right before this product launch and that may be why some of the market isn't enthusiastic about a proprietary player from the developer.  Personally,  that was the reason I didn't buy their lifetime deal. Companies that do lifetime deals are desperate for cash and aren't able to get it from investors. Add to that, Mike's communication  that the Musio format would always be inferior to the KONTAKT versions and the strategy was to try and upsell Musio customers to KONTAKT versions and I passed. 

All of that said, I do think this offering and the pricing is worthy of much more attention.  Maybe the developer will make some adjustments that will change all of that. 

@jude77 Just think, for two whole weeks we can create deal threads without finding out Larry already posted about the same deal already! 

But two weeks-- I seriously doubt Fleer can go that long without creating a thread about how much he misses Larry and before you know it, we'll all be joining in! Oh well, I suppose for the next couple weeks I'll start some deal threads too (and hopefully won't find that Larry already posted them before he left!). 

2 hours ago, Doug Rintoul said:

Are you spending any time in Vancouver? It is one of my favourite places in the world. Of course, I live there.

Hey. It's one of my favorite places too! Sadly,  I don't live there. 😢 

There's a whole other aspect to the attacks on 8Dio from Greene that most people don't know or understand. Greene leveraged people's biases to get them to line up on his attacks on his competitor. Greene since deleted the post. But he falsely claimed that 8Dio's CEO threatened a boycott of VI-Control by developers (to pull their monthly sponsorship fees and advertising) due to Greene censoring LGBTQ forum members from discussing Greene's friend Christian's controversial tweet. 

8Dio's CEO actually showed me the correspondence Greene referred to in a post where he claimed she threatened a developer boycott of his site.  She never even implied a boycott. She merely told Greene that she was pulling 8Dio's sponsorship and advertising from VI-Control in protest to Greene censoring LGBTQ members,  including 8Dio employees from discussion. I could clearly see what set Greene off in that correspondence. She criticized his ethics -- and I know that Greene has an authoritarian nature and rages when criticized even slightly.  She made a harsh criticism of his censorship and the toxicity of his forum (this was several weeks prior to the attack thread and Greene's numerous attack rants whenever anyone started a thread at VI-Control about an 8Dio sale -- he would attack them and accuse them of being shills for 8Dio and then go on extended rants claiming 8Dio is destroying the sample industry by heavily discounting -- leading "the race to the bottom" -- a phrase he often uses with regard to 8Dio).   

Sarah, who turned her 8Dio fan thread into an attack thread after 8Dio refused her pitch to buy her fan project scripts for 5 to 6 figures (for a retired library that only pulled in $400 USD its final year of sale). later shared with me that she did feel that Greene leveraged her bitterness for his own purposes and no longer feels that he's a decent human being.  It also wasn't lost on her, that as a trans woman,  that Greene was leveraging anti trans sentiment of some forum members to try to turn them against 8Dio for their pro LGBTQ stance. 

57 minutes ago, Robert Engstrand said:

Thanks for sharing that story. God, what a mess. 😒

It's such a complex story. I should state that I'm a marketing strategist in real life and years ago, I would often offer free or low cost advice for small developers whose plugins and sample libraries I use. It started with helping out one who got in trouble for infringing on Roland's trademarks and asked for help on KVR. I shot the guy some links to quotes of mine in business publications like Forbes and Wired, so he knew I was credible and would consider my advice seriously.  From there I ended up giving advice to more than three dozen developers in this industry -- I even met up with some on unrelated business trips, like meeting Ben from Camel Audio on a business trip to Scotland (I'm an American). But I largely stopped doing that several years ago, as I simply don't have the time anymore. So those developers included Mike Greene and the developer who basically mentored Mario in the industry, got him his start. 

But I get that most folks don't care about the ethics of a developer, but a competitor running a forum using it to attack his competitors is incredibly ethically problematic. Then you have the fact that it was literally coordinated with a fellow competitor (Mike Greene owns Realitone and Andrew Aversa, who employs the thread starter and Mario, own Impact Soundworks and the two owners are friends and have privately harassed 8Dio's CEO-- she's sent me screenshots of demeaning, harassing, and gaslighting PMs and  posts from a developers forum they're  part of that they directed or sent to her; I'd call some if it clearly sexist and bullying -- I'm a man, BTW and not prone to making such observations lightly). 

If you see the 8Dio thread with mainly just my very long posts, each one came from various 8Dio threads where Greene attacked posters for creating threads, claiming they were shills or after Greene's angry rants that 8Dio was destroying the industry by deep discounting. In various threads,  Greene personally,  or through surrogates, attacked 8Dio's CEO using misogynistic terms, libelous remarks... In his private emails to me, he lavished praise on me for being a "good guy" with integrity and "heart of gold" while trying to persuade me to hate 8Dio's CEO. It was bizarre and obsessive in a way I can only liken to HS mean girl behavior. I cced 8Dio's CEO and blind cced developers-- informing Greene. It was days after that, Greene created a thread with my posts,  inviting people to attack me.  Of course,  after I cc'ed 8Dio's  CEO replying to Greene's defamatory emails, Greene became furious with the guy he praised for his ethics and heart of gold only one email prior and banned me (permanently, it seems) from his forum. As you might expect, Greene took to his forum to post that I was banned from his site after that. I emailed him that I couldn't care less about posting at his forum, but I don't appreciate him creating a thread of my posts out of contact inviting his forum members to make attacks on me. It does speak to his toxic behavior and toxicity of his forum.