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Where to find how long is the sale?

Do they sell through shops like jrr, audiodeluxe, plugin boutique?

22 minutes ago, abacab said:

I would probably stick with Win7 for that older gen PC in that case, until you acquire a new computer.

That's exactly what I have planned for this laptop. The next PC will be Win10 ready, but I'm seriously considering going with 8.1 instead and having all that updates mess off my head for next couple years.

For low budget boxes it's worth taking a look on Zoom UAC-2. Don't own any but heard opinions it's among the lowest latency usb interfaces. Note that it's USB3 specifically.

1 hour ago, Starship Krupa said:

So there are audio people who leave that thing turned on in their BIOS.

Since my winXP 2006 Philips laptop (rebranded from Twinhead, some Taiwan maker) and now updated to Win7, I never disabled the onboard realtek, even not in windows device manager . For years I was using it with asio4all with good results (except recording  audio obviously), although latency wasn't great, but last few years I've got Echo Indigo PCI express audio card which has awesome latency and great sound, it's literally a PCI card for the laptop. They both live alongside and I can switch anytime from one soundcard to the other. Once I installed the right driver version for my realtek, never had any problems with dropouts or anything. I don't use games other than minesweeper though, lol.

I'm affraid Win10 would mess my drivers anyway with any major update, so I'm considering 8.1 as an alternative. It's tough decision and I'm approaching the moment of changing old laptop for a new one, mainly because it's 32-bit only, and then the 4GB memory limit. It still does great for the age, dual core 2x2Ghz is dealing well even with many decent VI's like Pianoteq (maybe not for live use, but for producing does a great job), that's probably why I still don't feel like hard-pressed, but I'm seriously on the fence about Win10.

5 minutes ago, sjoens said:

64 is actually up (OFF)...

thanks sjoens, edited...

To convert MIDI to audio you need to select the MIDI portion *AND* it's corresponding audio track where the synth outputs are, and either do 'export audio' in file menu, or bounce to tracks (from track view menu).

Under note pane there is a controller pane, you may need to open it first. Then on the left there is a 'plus' button, click to create new line and choose CC#64. Now by using either smart tool, pencil or any other that will work for the need, enter value 0-64 for pedal up and 65-127 for pedal down.

4 hours ago, msmcleod said:

Monitising more advanced stuff like LP-EQ makes sense, but channel tools to my mind is bread & butter functionality.

100% agree

4 hours ago, msmcleod said:

It always slightly bugs me that I have to insert it as an "effect" into a track to do stuff like flip L&R / individually pan L&R channels.

Same feelings here.

4 hours ago, msmcleod said:

I feel this would be much better either as a stock ProChannel model, or built into the track inspector itself.

I was even thinking of putting this in the feature request thread!

should be built-in the console/pc

Unless he's got another matching material from which he can extract groove and apply it to the intro.

Time to jump on that one, it seems.

Aah the MIDI cable. I was smelling some 3rd party help with it needed. Thanks!

1 hour ago, Starship Krupa said:

Cakewalk seems to stream audio files even when the Clips and Take Lanes that refer to the audio files are muted (as in currently unused takes and clips), and I'm not sure if that's right. Seems like it should leave them alone.

That's because you can unmute it any time during playback and most probably be wanting to hear the immediate effect. To stop streaming a track you will have to archive it.

I usually try not to use quantize unless it feels necessary. And even then I rather stay under 50% strength, just to get the timing good enough to go. Once I reach for quantize I know there's much work to be done, some notes that fall out of window are snapped to the wrong side, I have to undo and correct just the notes and try again, use the best resolution for each song part, and so. Also groove quantizing rules.

Had not much experience with quantizing audio but I'd expect similar affliction .

20 hours ago, msmcleod said:

Nope, Channel Tools isn't included in CbB.

It's a strange omission, but BandLab have no doubt got a reason for it.

It's a strange omission indeed!

On 1/22/2019 at 7:17 PM, Variorum said:

It'll be pretty simple at first, maybe generate a sine, triangle, square, sawtooth wave... tempo synced with divisions, and I think allowing control of amplitude and frequency from assignable CC's would be cool.

What are the practical uses for this? Can you use it to modulate anything within Cakewalk, does Cakewalk allow for it, what routing? Or it's just for creating new midi controller lines? Sorry I'm trying to wrap my head around this .

On 1/22/2019 at 6:42 AM, Kaustub M. Joshi said:

1. Animation to show the PRV virtual keyboard playing when we input notes (midi/mouse) and when the track is playing. Most other DAWs have this feature, and I think it is useful as well.

+1 for highlighting the keys on playback/midi input, that can make it a bit more easy to find yourself quickly when working in prv

On 1/22/2019 at 6:42 AM, Kaustub M. Joshi said:

2. The PRV virtual keyboard should change velocity according to the position of mouse clicks, instead of just sticking to the velocity value we drew the last time.

+1 no reason to see any drawbacks of this feature, could be quite helpful sometimes indeed

31 minutes ago, Mandolin Picker said:

And herein is the core issue. I have an older laptop (about 10-years old; AMD dual core with 2GB of RAM) that runs Windows Vista 32-bit and the last version of SONAR Home Studio. There is no internet connection on the laptop, so I am not worried about viruses, etc. I still use this laptop when I want to record a track or two. Then I transfer it to Cakewalk and mix, etc. Even though its an old laptop it still runs well and does what I need it to do. The Home Studio version also runs well and does what I need it to do.

Now here is the rub. If Home Studio was under the new 'lease' option, six months after the last install it stops working. Not because anything is wrong with the software, or hardware, or anything else. It stops working simply because it runs past a particular date.

That is planned obsolescence, and we are seeing it more and more (not just Cakewalk, so I don't want to seem like I am picking on them). If I have something that works regardless of whether it was given to me free of charge, or if I had to pay for it, I should expect to be able to use it for as long as I can keep it working. Do I expect the manufacturer (or developer) to support it forever? No. I don't expect Ford to support a 58 Edsel, but others may (and do). As long as I can keep it running, why shouldn't I be allowed to.

If no one owns anything anymore, then we are always beholden to somebody.

I have similar style. I usually set new win os every 10 years or so and do not poke too much with it over this time. Today, if I would need to do a re-installing, say due to some hardware failure, I could easily rebuild my winXP or 7 and my Sonar X1 or Home studio. I could do it even in 10 years from now if I ever happen to need it, I got my CD/DVDs and codes backed up. That's called 'certain'.

Whether I'm in a situation where the company/developer can decide whether I will continue to use the software or no more, or is forcing unwanted updates like win10, that's different story. I never said uncertain is the free status of cakewalk in future, or is cakewalk in bad hands. Based on what i see is being developed under bandlab I can only tell cakewalk is in great hands and Im grateful for that. I only can gripe that I cant be sure if I will be able to re-install my splat or cakelab in 10 years - this future is not in my hands (although I'm not implying bad intensions).

To give you a bit wider perspective, i'm still on a 32-bit system and planned to upgrade to 64-bit but I can't tell when. I have 2 small reasons for no hurry, one is 2-years old and the other 1-year old I assume it may take couple months maybe even years before I decide to go back fully on music. I would like then to put a freshly new win8.1 on a new machine and start with installing splat in front of cakelab. Can I say for sure that the servers will be still going on for splat? Uncertainly. And what if I'd like to keep this system for the next 10 years untouched and offline according to my style? I'll still be forced to connect it online periodically just to keep the cakelab working.

Sonar/Cakewalk is my preferred daw as I'm very efficient when it comes to work with MIDI and just recently started to breaking into audio. Love the tools and workflow overall and would like to keep it going, but building a pro enviroment is demanding for reliability. I can certainly say that I will be able to reinstall my lovely little Harrison Mixbus daw anytime in the future and it shall work seemlessly even after building next machine 10 years later. With Cakewalk I'm affraid at times it may go a bit bitter. I don't have to own the software as long as I can make sure that I can make it work anytime, then only focus on music. Doing some updates once a year of two is fine.

That was just to give you some picture as to why there are some people still holding off from upgrading to CakeLab or asking for offline auth. despite it's a better daw now and worth it altogether.

my guess is you are trying to draw in the notes pane, you should be doing it in the controllers pane that is under the notes pane

perhaps you need to open it first in case it's closed (collapsed)

7 minutes ago, Sidney Earl Goodroe said:

Besides that, 48k sample rates have revealed artifacts in some VST plugins both during playback and worse on bouncing the track to audio or conversion to 44.1.

That's very interesting, would you mind to give some examples?

24/44.1 here as well, if you encounter aliasing, go up or use upsampling

14 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

lease was used in a technical context not monitory. Clearly there is no money involved anymore since Cakewalk is 100% free to use.
The "lease" applies to how long the current authorization period is before you have to renew it to update the software to a more current version

yes, I got it right from the beginning, it was the other folks that got confused with my early post I already said sorry

it's the way authorization's online dependant, that was our whole gripe of the discussion, you cannot set and forget, no more with win10, no more with cakewalk today etc... a mark of time (and very counter-productive sometimes)

I guess, me and possibly few others, are the ones that don't like to stand on an uncertain ground, that's how I would describe the situation now, that's all

1 minute ago, mdiemer said:

I feel like I own Sonar 8.5. The company I had leased it from no longer exists, and I can activate it with serial number indefinitely

basically this

4 minutes ago, scook said:

Chances are you do not own any software you purchased. Most software companies sell licenses to use their software. They do not sell their software outright. BandLab purchased IP from Gibson. That IP included the code for SONAR and other Cakewalk products.

agreed... and that was our sad conclusion to the discussion

sad because it makes more and more difficult to organize your workplace the way you like it today than it was years before

right, still it doesn't make us own what we've paid for Sonar back then, nor own what we are offered for free now

and that was the original context of our discussion, irrespective of my 'misquotes'

do I stand correct or corrected?

yeah I didn't mean to escalate any conspiracy theories, if you guys check my response to Mandolin Picker's post you'll hopefully get the right context