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Valid points @Kurre, also any info in BandLab accound and especially simple email notification (that will give you resonable time to re-authorize) could much help.

I downloaded only 655KB is that fine? I mean, all other skins are more than 2MB, some  much above 10MB, didn't expect such differences are possible but I'll take any reason .

On 2/7/2019 at 9:26 PM, msmcleod said:

This would be a great idea, especially if you could drag a multi-output VSTi and it would automatically assign it to the next unused stereo pair.

Or/and select a few MIDI tracks and drag VSTi onto them, then a dialog box would appear (optionally) for setting outputs etc, where you can select if you want to assign them all to the mains or to multi-outs subsequentially?

Interesting reading about Mac-vs-PC and the users response to pro solutions, or lack of them

https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2019/2/7/pro-tools-users-abandoning-apple-mac-for-microsoft-windows-new-poll-shows-alarming-results

Edit: I realize I should have posted it in the other thread about low latency interfaces but oh well .

On 2/6/2019 at 9:16 PM, David Baay said:

I think you must be thinking of a different DAW or different situation in CbB...

True, looks like I was too quick with my response. Next time I'll make a coffee before answering and actually drink it first .

Just checked again, the situation I was talking about is when the wave file has same length but different name so... absolute opposite 🙃.

I have then tried to expand the clip in project and save, but after changing length of the wave file in wavelab, Sonar imported it with previously saved length regardless the longer clip, you were right.

In my test, using wav files with the same sample and bit rate, if you change the length of a wav file outside cakewalk, then on re-opening the project, if the wav file is longer than previously, then it gets truncated, if it's shorter then cakewalk will fill gap with a silence. After changing the sample rate cakewalk truncated the length. Shame.

So looks like Cakewalk doesn't allow to simply change the sample rate of waves files, you have to create new project and import newly converted files into it. At least it only worked that way here.

3 minutes ago, David Baay said:

There's one problem with converting the sample rate of audio files outside of CbB that was pointed out to me when I suggested this solution in the past.  The  length of the audio clip in samples is stored in the project, so when it reads in data from a higher sample rate file, the clip will be truncated to the original number of samples, and there's no way to get the clip to reference the entire file, short of importing it at the new rate. 

If the wave file have exactly same name, Cakewalk should show a dialog box saying that the file has a different lenght now, and then you can accept the change or deny importing it. It's crucial to know exactly what you're doing in that situation or one can cause a mess in his project.

That is my typical approach too - open MIDI file first, then load new vst instrument, that will create an instrument track, then either drag MIDI data onto the instrument track (and make sure it didn't change it's position while doing it) lastly delete empty MIDI track, or if there are more than one MIDI tracks that I want to assign to the same synth - simply assign their outputs to this synth. Right, I didn't count exactly how many clicks was that, but you know the way really old highlanders do count: "one, two, three, many..." .

And yes, I'm a loooong time Cakewalk user too, so I'm simply used to do things that way and tbh never before wondered about it, still I can see a big potential in doing same thing with "just two" clicks. Workflows...

so... if you export stems from Cakewalk to BandLab, do you, precisely, upload from tracks, from busses, or is it user selectable?

If your preamp's gain/input level was too hot and then you compensated this by taking the output level down, then the signal could be low but distorted.

Reaper outs routed to Harrison Mixbus in linux, oh yeaaah...!

Should we start to ask all plugin developers for a linux verion now?

13 hours ago, TheOtherSide said:

Possibly (so far) the thing that baffles me the most about CbB is that I can't just drag and drop (or right click and add) an instraument onto a midi track to turn it into an instrument track.

Hmm, while you can achieve the same typically in more than one way in CakeLab and having to go through multitude of mouse clicks of course, for the workflow this seems to be a great feature request indeed .

5 hours ago, Notes_Norton said:

IMHO MTPro is the best stand-alone MIDI sequencer in the biz. Great interface, great editing tools, everything available in a mouse click or two (no sub-menus or sub-sub-menus), and the 8.3 version never-ever crashed. Sadly the new version occasional does.

Oh, it looks so familiar to Cakewalk Professional 3 from early nineties! And it's even working on mcintosh, lovely .

5 hours ago, Notes_Norton said:

If Bandlab decides to abandon Cakewalk, it's possible we will be able to use it for many years - until Microsoft changes it's OS making it no longer compatible (like the 8.3 version of MTPro).

In that scenario your Cakewalk will revert to demo mode in less than 6 months.

16 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

If it fizzles, and development stops, I'll be left with this great DAW software and will have to rely the people who own it to continue the free subscription or be kind enough to release a version with a perpetual key. For the value I'm getting now, it all seems quite worth the risk.

This. We (sonarians) have heard that already in the past but it never happended. I assumed "the people who own it" decided that the fact of CakeLab revival is a sufficient reason to scrap the unlock idea. I've never intended to jump the ship in the past, but I'll take risk as the keyword for the future here, YMMV .

@TheSteven thanks! At least they didn't went into gigabytes with this one.

Wow, this forum's corner turns slowly into some extremely creative ideas incubator .

On 2/4/2019 at 3:28 AM, kitekrazy said:

I remember at the turn of the century buying Music Creator that came with mid i cables that were suppose to work in a serial port at Best Buy for $40.

This remindes me of my beginnings to the pc computer world in early 90's. I had a bursting i386 laptop with 2MB of RAM, 40MB HD and monochrome monitor, I think the proudly maker was called Silverscreen haha, and win 3.1 on it. There was no such thing as touchpad or trackball on it, the mouse had to be connected to the serial port, I mean the old RS-232 serial port. I bought Yamaha MU-50 module at this time and the only way to connect it to this particular laptop was through the same serial port with a proprietary cable, so either mouse or module (there was only one RS port on this machine). Boy, this made me learn all about how to operate windows and it's apps only from the keyboard. I wonder if people realize that you can do nearly everything in windows just by using keyboard. Same goes with cakewalk, except purely grafical fields like in the PRV or plugins GUI, BUT... you can learn how to make all the same things in the Event List instead! Humans are subject to some really sketchy figures sometimes when hard-pressed.

On 2/4/2019 at 3:20 PM, Jim Roseberry said:

With any reasonably current (Intel) build, you'll have Intel USB-2 or USB-3 integrated into the motherboard's chipset. That eliminates most compatibility problems.

(...)

The CPU load from the USB controller is negligible on a reasonably current CPU.

Hopefully with modest PCs you don't see it anymore, at least not that much, but on my ageing laptop with USB-2 ports, playing from ExpressCard audio interface (or even built-in Realtek!) vs. USB-2 audio interface has shown clear difference in terms of CPU usage. I just started wondering how much the windows version itself could make an impact on the efficiency, the tests I have made on XP some years ago.

On 2/4/2019 at 3:29 PM, Jim Roseberry said:

If you run a dense audio stress-test using a PCIe card vs. RME USB-2 audio interface, you'll find you can run the same amount of processing with each.

Don't even get me started on the RME thingy, Jim, these guys are like they're playing in their own league! Their Babyface Pro is making some unbelievable RTL figures as for an USB box, in the latency tests on DAW bench. For a moment it's way out of my reach but if given a chance I would pick it reckless any day of the week! ...if going the USB-route.

@Deckardpossibly that's exactly what is happening.

40 minutes ago, Deckard said:

As Craig said, the concept of "stems" or "stem files" most often means submixes, for example a vocal stem would be multiple vocal tracks submixed in a single WAV file. No magic, nothing special.

Pretty much this. I figured it out but it took some time, lol.

40 minutes ago, Deckard said:

lthough I've seen in some interviews with (younger) mix engineers in Sound On Sound using the word "stems" when referring to individual audio tracks. I don't see the point in that - if you need the individual audio files for a project, ask for the individual audio files! If you need stems, ask for stems.

It's bogging me same way as clips vs regions. Some youngsters call them regions without even understanding what are clips. Makes me feel I'm getting old .

6 hours ago, marled said:

Exactly! There is free and free and free on the internet ... 

There is some wisdom deep in that statement. I'm just started wondering which one is Cakewalk by BandLab...?

With my next studio setup I hope to manage 3 monitors from windows os. Will see how it's going.

Anybody know the download size? Thx

3 hours ago, Jerzy Peter said:

The sixth monitor is only to watch TV, movies from internet on my big screen TV.

Of course it is!

It was just making a casual fun because it happened to sound really funny the way you described it , no jeering intended! Cheers.

An extra 6th monitor in my bedroom with the status bar is a brilliant idea. Thanks!

7 hours ago, Jim Roseberry said:

FWIW, The best USB-2 Audio interfaces *are* on par with the best PCI audio interfaces.

Beside hidden buffers there's one more factor in play, which is the on-board USB controller (I think it's called hardware controller). PCI card doesn't use any additional controllers while USB interface does have to go through it and your PC have to compensate that with it's CPU power, unfortunately. That's one more extra additional cost when comparing USB to PCI audio interfaces.

thanks