Robert Bone

1 hour ago, DIDAZNE said:

Thank you @Robert Bone

Sure - did that help get you straightened out on that?  Are you all good now? 

Bob Bone

20 minutes ago, User 905133 said:

You might be right--is it live or is it a pre-planned project?  Or maybe it was done via video editing?

 

I dunno - I have a separate midi track for each instrument, and I keep my midi tracks together, in my projects, so if I wanted to play a few ones from a solo violin instrument, I just have to click on that midi track and play my midi controller, and then if I click on the next midi track down, it might be the midi track for a solo cello, or whatever.  some folks group their orchestral instrument midi tracks by section, such as Woodwinds, Brass, Strings, etc, plus, they often use templates with all of that stuff set up already, and because they use that template in many/most of their projects, they get used to knowing where the different kinds of midi tracks for certain instruments, or entire sections, are located, and that makes it easy for them to locate those tracks.

I do not happen to do orchestral projects, at this point, but even with what I tend to use, I get pretty good at knowing which tracks are where.  It likely boils down to how consistent tracks are grouped from project to project, as to how well someone could get a really good bead on which tracks are where.

Bob Bone

Couldn't the folks in the video clips also have already created some midi data for the different instruments shown in the clips?  Then, simply playing the project, would let you hear the different sounds from their template.

Just a thought

Bob Bone

OK - here is the section of documentation on Quick Groups, which seems like it applies to what you want to do:

Quick Groups Documentation

SO, to do the same change to identical controls or effects in multiple tracks, you group the tracks, and follow the steps in the above documentation, to cause that change to be done to each track that you grouped.  Please read the above doc, as I believe it contains the instructions to accomplish what you seek to do.  

Bob Bone

11 hours ago, scook said:

No because I take steps to prevent unexpected note playback. The combination of conditions has been the subject of numerous threads.

"Enable MIDI Output" has been the default since X3 for synths with the capability, however; many synths lack the feature.

"Always Echo Current MIDI Track" is also the default.

Instrument/MIDI track input set to None is not the same as Omni. When set to None the track rejects all input. When set to Omni the track accepts all input. The potential for trouble happens when a track has its input set to None and "Input Echo" gets turned on. Enabling "Input Echo" causes CbB to switch the input from None to Omni.

If a track is set to Omni and a plug-in is set to send MIDI data there is nothing to prevent the track from picking up the data.

Wow - I would have thought I would have experienced this, at some point.  Thanks for explaining.

13 hours ago, scook said:

When unexpected MIDI notes play often it is the result of one or more synths with "Enable MIDI Output" turned on and the track playing the notes having its input set to "All Inputs - MIDI Omni"

To check the synths open the plug-in UIs and click on the VST2/3 drop down

Instrument and MIDI tracks can get set to "All Inputs - MIDI Omni" if the input is set to None and the track gets "Input Echo" (the button to the right of the record button) turned on. One way this happens is when Always Echo Current MIDI Track is enabled.

 

Howdy, @scook.  Have you encountered phantom exported notes, like described in the OP, from the combo of conditions you describe? 

I ask, because those are default behaviors, and I work primarily with MIDI, as a keyboard player, and I never have unexpected MIDI notesget added when I export, and I always accept the Enable MIDI Output as checked, by default, in the Insert Soft Synth Options dialog, and I also almost always leave MIDI track Input assignments set to None/Omni.

Bob Bone

3 hours ago, aidan o driscoll said:

Thanks guys ONE AND ALL.

The points are all very good and what I was hoping for. A good wide debate on this issue and focused on Cakewalk which is what we use.

I take the point that the DAW should not matter, but we are at the Cakewalk forums

About windows 10 & hardware, yip, my day job is my own small IT company for 20 years. I understand. 

To be truthful i have never had any issues with my systems specs because i tend to buy parts for a desktop upgrade ( have same actual box since the 90s, a tower ). Where laptops are concerned, I study, read reviews and really consider. I have a 17" Dell laptop thats 7, 8 years old - core i5, 16gb ram, Nvidia 2gb card, Hybrid 2GB drive - still handles well for music TBH .. I use a nifty ALESIS Core 1 with that which does the trick BUT that uses ASIO4ALL which I found best ( doesnt have own asio drivers )

My desktop is a Core i3, 16GB Ram, Nvidia 2GB card and sata drives. On that is the M-Audio Profire 610 ( attached through firewire card ). Again works fine, I have to say a lovely I/F with all the ports required. Probably one of the best M-Audio products? 

Even with all that I am always on the look out for an audio I/F that is USB and that I can swap between my two systems which does support ASIO via its drivers rather than relying on ASIO4ALL. I have been looking at the newer M-AUDIO I/Fs .. my experience with the profire makes me partial

  

 

 

I have several audio interfaces,  including a Presunus AudioBox 1818 VSL, with 8 preamp, an 8-port expansion for that, and a Yamaha/Steinberg UR-22 with two preamps, and those connect with USB 2.0.  My 3rd is a UAD Arrow, which is a Thunderbolt 3 interface, and I use that for my laptop. 

All 3 work well, but unless I am tracking real drums,  I use the UR-22 for the desktop, because it is much smaller than the Presonus, and I don't normally need more than the two XLR/mic inputs.

I would suggest you try using a Driver Mode of Wasapi Shared, until you end up with an interface that uses ASIO drivers.  Microsoft really tweaked up their audio processing in the Wasapi driver, and it may well perform better, with lower latency, than the ASIO4ALL has, and likely more stable.  ASIO4ALL is just a wrapper, for I believe the older WDM driver, and WASAPI should perform better than it. 

I normally set ASIO Buffer Size, with the UR-22, or the AudioBox, to 128 for tracking/recording, and to either 1024 or 2048 for mixing/mastering.  I could run at 64 samples, but then it can sometimes be a tad glitchy, so at 128 there is no audible lag, and it just breezes through tracking.  My UAD Arrow can go WAY lower, down to 32 or 16, but I normally keep it at 32 samples for tracking, and 2048 for mixing/mastering. 

Most interfaces in the $150 range, and up, will come with ASIO drivers, and perform well, while also being stable.

Bob Bone 

THANKS! @Neel Modi for sharing all the maps

Bob Bone

Maybe I am missing something - instead of a single stereo track, I generally keep 2 mono tracks, for left and right, using panning law -3 dB Center, sin/cos taper, constant power, and deal with stereo pan and width that way.  I like to have the option of applying slightly different effects on one side or the other.

Bob Bone 

For whatever the worth, I have the TyrellN6 soft synth, and it loads up fine. so perhaps something wrong with something local to your computer - perhaps you have some Windows maintenance that is not installed?  (Some Windows maintenance requires explicitly clicking on the Download and Install link in Windows Update).

On 6/20/2020 at 10:37 AM, Dillon said:

I have recorded a song which consists of mainly guitar and vocals I recorded using a mic.

At the end, however, I add in a drum plugin and an additional layer of guitar.

In my project, the drums sound perfectly in time with this additional layer of guitar.

But, when I export the project (to WAV) the drums are just slightly out of time, by less than a second but it is definitely still audible.

Please help, 

If you export the drums, and then import that drum track to an empty audio track, then mute the original drums, does the new drum track play in sync with the other tracks

Additionally, you could zoom in on the imported drums, and see if the transients line up on the beats, and if they don't, is it that they are evenly not lining up, or, do the drift farther apart farther into the song?

Perhaps a sample rate mismatch with groove clips?

Groove Clips?

Have you examined the drum transients to make sure they line up with the guitar and vocals?

If you freeze the drum plugin, and it renders the drum audio, does the rendered drum audio play back in sync with the other tracks?

Maybe you could also export separate tracks, of drums, lead vocal, and rhythm guitar, as broadcast wave files, and upload them to some cloud-based file sharing site, like Dropbox, and post links here, so they could be examined.

Other than some kind of issue with PDC (Plugin Delay Compensation) I don't know why they would sound different in the project or exported, but even there, I would expect any syncing issues to be audible prior to the export.

I have never experienced your issues, so any of the above are just guesses, as I don't have anything come to mind- hopefully someone can jump in with a better handle on what to look at.

Bob Bone 

3 hours ago, razor7music said:

I appreciate the help whenever you can!!

OK down to feeding cats, making fresh pot of coffee,  and starting some rice, and then I am finally able to jump in, with joy other things tugging at me 

8 hours ago, razor7music said:

Correct. I don't have any 1/8" jacks to plug in.

I want to circle back to trying to resolve the dropouts and such, using ASIO and the interface - I have a few other things to knock out of the way this morning, and then will start at the beginning of the thread, and try to find something perhaps I missed earlier, because of having several competing things going on, tugging at me in different directions - so I want to focus on this thread, and see if something can be figured out to resolve these for you.

Bob Bone

47 minutes ago, razor7music said:

Hey @Robert Bone

65" monitor! That's crazy!! Crazy cool that is.

The spdif is the only option. I think it might have to do with the computers sound card. It detects when something's plugged into it, except for the spdif. So, without anything plugged into it that's all I've got. All the inputs and outputs are those tiny 1/8" jack ports, so I don't have anything to plug into them.

I tried WASAPI shared because I didn't know what else to try.

OK - well, the WASAPI route was a plan B anyways - so it is coming up on midnight here, and I am pretty wiped out, however, after a good night's sleep, I am going to leave this thread up, so I can jump in and help you figure this all out, once and for all (I sincerely hope).  

I would have spent more time earlier, but I was trying to tame some Kontakt issues with one of the Komplete 12 drum libraries, and getting the mixer to present the Output drop-down, so I could alter each kit piece to go to a separate output channel.  That was driving me nuts - sorry for the long explain.

Anyways, I will give this my undivided attention in the morning, and do my best to help you get the dropouts resolved. 

Bob Bone

4 hours ago, Chappel said:

How do you like that interface? I'm thinking of getting a Steinberg UR24C when I can put the funds together. I probably won't experiment with my buffer settings until I can put that in place.

Well, I love it - I have a bigger interface, with 8-ports, and its companion expansion unit that gives me an additional 8 ports, but I only bother with hooking all that up unless I am recording drums, where having 16 inputs is just a happy thing.  Most of the time, though, I just rely on my little UR-22.  Never have had any issues with it, whatsoever, it just does its job - sampling at 48K and quietly working perfectly.

My laptop has the killer little interface - UAD Arrow - it is a Thunderbolt 3 interface, and it is SMOKING fast.  But, my desktop will never be able to have a Thunderbolt port, so I use the UAD Arrow for playing out live (I am a keyboard player, and use all soft-synths for live performance, running through a VST Host program to allow me to layer up zillions of combinations of sound from different soft synths).

When you are recording, just make sure your ASIO Buffer Size is small enough to where you don't have a lag between playing notes and hearing them back, because that is a nightmare for trying to sync up to other tracks.  I use 128 because it is low enough to not have any audible lag, and yet it is not so small a buffer size that it makes the CPU work too hard either - a nice compromise that works fine.

Bob Bone

11 minutes ago, Moa Longkumer said:

I seem to have unwittingly solved the problem (At least for myself).

My configuration:
AMD FX-6300 3.5Ghz
12Gb RAM
SSD system drive
Windows 10 LTSC
Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 (1st Gen...boy, did I have a royal migraine with the drivers, but that's fixed now)

To start with, these were the symptoms specific to my setup:
Double clicking the desktop icon or launching it from Bandlab Assistant would start it up. It would display the splash screen and stay stuck there for anything between 3 to 5 minutes. If I clicked anywhere during the period, it would say 'Cakewalk is not responding' . But in about 3-5 minutes it would resolve itself and thereafter work normally and generally, flawlessly.

Here's what I did....
1) I unplugged my 2i4, started up cakewalk and glory be! ...it took just a few seconds to start up!
2) While cakewalk was still in the state (running) , I re-plugged the 2i4.
3) Then I shut down Cakewalk.
4) Then I fired it up again with the 2i4 connected and great! it worked! 
5) Just to be sure, I restarted my machine, and then tried again...and much to my joy it started up in just a few moments.

Currently, it fires up in about 6 seconds.

I don't know if it'll work for everyone but it did for me.  Hope this helps!

Cheers!

 

Well, THAT'S pretty weird - glad you are up and running - maybe it got tired of fighting with you, and just gave in....

Bob Bone

I have an HDTV for a computer display monitor (65" wahoo!), so I just have the TV's HDMI handle the audio, and I have a sound bar connected to the TV by a light-pipe cable, so that is how my Windows sounds play).  So, it has been a while since I had some other arrangement, but I wouldn't think you would want your Windows playback devices set to the digital S/PDIF devices.  What other choices do you have for that?

And, are you using WSAPI Shared, or Exclusive, for your Driver Mode in Cakewalk?

Bob Bone

When I track, on my desktop, which uses a Yamaha Steinberg UR22 audio interface, or my Presonus Audiobox 1818 VSL, I have my ASIO Buffer Size set to 128 samples, and for mixing, I change it to 2048 samples.

For my laptop, which has a Thunderbolt 3 port, and I have a UAD Arrow Thunderbolt 3 audio interface, I track at 32 samples, and mix at either 1024 or 2048 samples,

Bob Bone

Try temporarily disabling the device drivers for your WiFi, just before launching Cakewalk, then when done with your Cakewalk session, you can enable the WiFi drivers again.

1 hour ago, razor7music said:

Hello @Robert Bone and @scook

After I enable the onboard sound in the BIOS, and enable the Realtec sound in Windows, and change the driver mode to WASAPI shared in CW, CW still doesn't see any other devices except my Echo Layla 3G.

😕

Did you click Apply, after changing the Driver Mode?  And then go look at input and output audio devices?

I have been ASIO for so may years, I am digging deep for the above - not sure if that matters, but would be easy to check out by trying.  I am on a phone call with a friend, so will have to get back to your thread after I finish that.  Sorry 

1 hour ago, Neel Modi said:

Yeah, I also commented on this thread, and now I'm trying to get my Komplete 8 to show up in Native Access so I can download and install Battery 3, but after putting in the serial number, nothing happens.

https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/brushes-and-other-jazzy-sounds.417417/

I checked my Native Access - Komplete 8 does not show up there, even though I had entered its serial number.

However, once that serial number was entered, it might have then allowed me to select individual components connected to Komplete 8, such as Battery 3, to be installed.  I do show Battery 3 as being fully installed, and per the image you see below, the serial number for my Battery 3 in Native Access, shows as part of the Komplete 8 Bundle.

So - check to see if Battery 3 is available as an Uninstalled Product in Native Access.  If THAT doesn't work, are you able to run the Komplete 8 installer, and only select Battery 3 from it?  I am trying to remember how I did it.  I will think on it some more - try the above though, in the meantime.

Please detail what you tried to do, to get Komplete 8 seen by Native Access

5 minutes ago, Neel Modi said:

Yeah, I also commented on this thread, and now I'm trying to get my Komplete 8 to show up in Native Access so I can download and install Battery 3, but after putting in the serial number, nothing happens.

https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/brushes-and-other-jazzy-sounds.417417/

I will take a look - so you added the serial number?  I have Komplete 8, as well as now Komplete 10, and Komplete 12, but I do recall adding Komplete 8, because I wanted to keep using Battery 3, which went away in the later versions.

20 minutes ago, Neel Modi said:

Good idea, Bob, thanks, will do. I also have Battery 3 maps but when I upgraded to Battery 4, my presets for Battery 3 disappeared. I don't worry about it much, as there's lots of cool kits in B4 anyway.

You lost the Kits for Battery 3?  Like, 'Rock Kit Add-On.kt3'?

3 hours ago, Jonathan Sasor said:

holding Shift will constrain the clip, either vertically or horizontally, so if you wanted to copy a clip to another track, you'd hold CTRL + Shift, then drag the clip to the other track for a copy with the exact same start time.

If I understood the OP question correctly, I just click on the clip I want to copy, making sure to click on the upper part of the clip, which selects that clip - highlights it, and I right-click on it, and then click on Edit > Copy, (just the events), and then position the Now Time where I want to paste the clip, and right-click on the track I want to paste the clip, just to the right of the Now Time marker, and click on Edit > Paste.

Bob Bone