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5 hours ago, AB7777 said:

rayray - 

Wishing you great success!  As to the bass part that has a problem but not in another section.  Is the tempo identical in both parts?  Are both parts identical except for the bass flaw?  Sometimes the great part can be copied and pasted into the bad part.  There are other variables though that can affect this, including what is before and after the part so it does not stick out as some abrupt action, and there are ways around that too!

Of course if the bass is on a totally separate track, cutting and pasting a good bass note in the song over the bad bass note, works as well.

yes it will copy seamlessly.  i did it in Cubase already and you cannot even tell.  but don't have it figured out in CW yet.  i tried selecting a portion of the waveform then it started referring to sections and it started losing me. i didn't know if i had to use sections instead of the waveform or not.  but yes, the parts are identical and have no singing to complicate cut/paste of the chorus bass part that turned out to be about a measure.

also i had trouble switching back and forth between beats/measures timeline and minutes and seconds time over the waveform.  sorry i'm just learning CW terminology if that is not what it is called.

RR

i was able to get the looping which i use a lot to work. 

I just called it a "de-esser" i guess because early on when i used Wavelab in the 80s and 90s, it had a "de-ess" setting and never learning the actual purpose for it i just thought that de-essers removed hiss-like sounds.  so i am not up on terminology really and am more a musician than a producer/recording engineer.  so have patience with me if i mis-label stuff.

thanks for the info on ReaFIR and Lisp!

I will definitely try them.  I can post a before and after of a song on here if that is something of interest of what i have done from raw cassettes so far.

you mentioned the cymbals, in some cases i like that "slashy" highs sound that you mention that the SM-57s get when you record cymbals.  not for everything but i have a use for it in some of my stuff.  i need to get recommendations on the budget-friendly cymbal mic(s) because my current drum mic setup doesn't have any.

Also, i am having trouble with CW trying to convert over from Cubase 12.   I know practice and hacking at it is how i learned Cubase.  but this is a different animal .

for example, i want to copy a portion of a song that the bass player hit the wrong note with another section (chorus) where he played it correctly.

i have tried to be intuitive trying to figure it out on CW but no luck.  In fact, with these "basement tapes" releases i will be needing to do this a lot.

can i get some quick start steps to do this because the documentation did not come up with this topic

thx much and hoping to jump over to BL 100% soon.  i have only experimented with it on three songs so far and it is taking me waaay too much time to do what i can do on Cubase in a few minutes.  But, i want to get up to speed and use CW now.  Especially with the Bandlab linkage!!

I downloaded and tried BlueLab's DeNoiser but found it to lower the overall gain trying to get the hiss out

RR

21 hours ago, Bill Ruys said:

Mr bitflipper is 100% correct on this.  A de-esser is essentially a high-Q (narrow band) filter in front of a compressor.  It's looking for peaks in level within that narrow band, and compressing them.  The reason for this is so that the (typically high frequency) band is not being attenuated unless it crosses a threshold, because you don't want to roll off that band all the time, only when a sibilant jumps out.

So as the flip master says, it's totally the wrong tool for the job.  If you have a section at the beginning or end of the recording with silence that exhibits only the his, a learning noise reduction plugin would be best (as others have said).

One free plugin that does this is Blue Lab Audio Denoiser.

i do have about 3 sec of nothing but the hiss on one recording and low hum on another.  one mic was near a device that produced hum on the recording thru that mic,

i have eliminated a lot with EQ believe it or not but i can do better .

is the Blue Lab free or have a full functioning eval?

i only need it for a couple things right now and will buy it later when i am doing more stuff from other bands

RR

On 2/22/2023 at 4:27 PM, mettelus said:

^^ I forgot to mention this previously, but I believe iZotope RX, Adobe Audition, and Steinberg SpectraLayers all have functional trials, but RX has the most painless method to remove the software afterwards.

Side note: It is good practice to record an ambient lead in/out on tracks just in case noise reduction is needed. That way you will always have an ambient sample embedded into the track for post-production of the full frequency spectrum, especially if doing something like recording old songs from magnetic tape into a DAW.

i did not have the option to do ambient or would have.  in fact that is all that was done in these recordings were ambient.  i'll have to post a before and after some time just to show what i was working with and what i got for results using source cassettes recorded on a one or two mic ambient setup turned up to 11 ... yeah... anyway, i recorded directly into a Zoom R24 Recorder and used a few things on that like EQ , cutoff etc. ,  reverb, and a few canned effects and it was amazing how much a difference it made bringing out things like vocals, cymbals, bass drums, bass and gave it depth. 

On 2/22/2023 at 12:31 PM, Lord Tim said:

I'd also be a little wary about using a "normal" EQ to get rid of 50/60Hz hum too. Aside from potentially gutting your kick drum and sub bass, most EQs introduce phase shifting around any boosted or cut frequencies, and for something like this, you'd need a fair bit of cut, and likely some stacked bands to really narrow in on the hum (and possibly even some extra EQ if there's overtones too).  You'd have better luck with a Linear Phase EQ which stops that from happening, but that also comes with is own gotchas, like pre-ringing, especially in the lower frequencies.

A de-noiser is definitely the way to go for any of this stuff, be it a plugin or in a standalone editor.  

is there any plug-in that can isolate and just listen to the hum or hiss?  like maybe tell the frequency range with a 'knob' and see if it eliminates it?

On 2/18/2023 at 10:26 PM, Craig Anderton said:

If there's a section with hiss that's isolated, there are tools that can take a "noiseprint" of the hiss, and subtract it from the file. The best ones (e.g., iZotope Rx) aren't cheap, but one of these free options might do the job for you.

this is great! thanks!

On 2/18/2023 at 10:14 PM, John Vere said:

For full mix down audio Cakewalk doesn’t come with a De essor. The good ones cost money.  But  a few free plug ins are out there  Try plug ins 4 free or KVR. Use the search feature. Also lots of wave editors like Audacity or Sound forge probably have one built in.  

To install new plug ins you follow the direction that come with the plug in and then get Cakewalk to scan the folder it was put in. Most you simply drag a dll to your VST plug in folder found under C/Program files. 

I found a boatload of plug-ins in Reaper including De-esser.  i guess the way of life if you cannot afford to pay for a full DAW is to jump from one to another to get done what you need to.

Cakewalk and Reaper are my faves.  I use Cubase 12 Elements since i got a license with my new notebook purchase from ASUS.  i use it to cut/paste and experiment with the plug-ins (sparse) on it.  but some are good.

haven't played enough with cakewalk to know how to select and paste from two different tracks or songs.  a lot of the time i have an ending on one song and want to paste it (append in this case) to another song.  sometimes i want to extend a section of a song for a couple more measures and i can do it in Cubase but not CW yet

On 2/18/2023 at 10:14 PM, John Vere said:

 

On 2/18/2023 at 10:14 PM, John Vere said:

For full mix down audio Cakewalk doesn’t come with a De essor. The good ones cost money.  But  a few free plug ins are out there  Try plug ins 4 free or KVR. Use the search feature. Also lots of wave editors like Audacity or Sound forge probably have one built in.  

To install new plug ins you follow the direction that come with the plug in and then get Cakewalk to scan the folder it was put in. Most you simply drag a dll to your VST plug in folder found under C/Program files. 

 

 

hey thanks.  what's with de-essers?  i found a lot of DAWs don't have them or the ones out there cost a lot of cash just to process ,  these things were included in wavelab back in the day but it is not a free program anymore.

CUbase has none unless yu pay for the premium packages which right now i can't afford.

So far i'm liking Cakewalk.

update - Reaper comes with a De-esser!  Also, a ton of plug-ins.\

I have a full mixdown and it has a hiss on it.  unfortunately, the source had the hiss and i just need to use the de-esser to limit the high hiss.  i have another recording with a low hum on it but, if that requires a different technique or not i don't know.  i'm hoping the de-esser has a frequency selection cutoff.

i'm new to cakewalk - i have used it before but after some frustrations with other DAWs, i decided to try CW after so many years.

i don't seem to be able to find de-esser in my plugins or compression tools.  oh how do i add new plugins?

can help?

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