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1 hour ago, David Baay said:

I realize this comment is a year old, but for the benefit of anyone stumbling on this now that it's been bumped, ThreadSchedulingModel = 3 is an experimental "aggressive" thread- scheduling model that I think has been proven to be statistically more likely to cause glitches than to resolve them for most users. SONAR became severely disfunctional on my i7 6700k desktop machine when I tried this non-default setting when it was first introduced. Others reported similar problems, and I know of few who have benefitted long-term. Feel free to try it, but keep an eye out for issues that may not manifest immediately or in all projects, and don't forget that you did it as many did at the time, claiming they hadn't changed anything and that problems were due to the update itself. The default ThreadSchedulingModel = 2 is best for the majority of machines.

This is highly CPU / OS dependent.   The i7 6700k is a relatively old processor (though much newer than mine!) - newer processors might actually prefer mode 3.  Also Windows 11's thread model is different and may prefer mode 3 too.

Really it's down to the user to try it out and see.

1 minute ago, Annabelle said:

I've written that line between [Markers View} and [Dump Request Macros]. I wrote it as you described.

VSTPlugInNameFormat=1

I put two blank lines around that parameter. However, I'm confused, as I tried the plugin scan, and it didn't change anything. I feel like something's missing. Don't I need to put <> or [] around the parameters?

No, it can't go there - you've added it to the Markers View section.  Sorry, didn't explain myself very well.

To avoid confusion, put it directly under the [WinCake] line.

There should be nothing around the parameters, as this would indicate a new config section.

It should read like this:

[WinCake]
VSTPlugInNameFormat=1
 

46 minutes ago, Annabelle said:

Are there two specific settings I should put it between?

no - as long as it appears somewhere under [WinCake] it should be fine.

9 minutes ago, Annabelle said:

There's two versions of the Cakewalk.ini file. One is in "C:\Program Data\Cakewalk\Sonar 8.5 Producer". The other is in "C:\Users\PCAudioLabs User\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\Sonar 8.5 Producer". Which version do I edit? And, where specifically in the WinCake section would I put the line you're talking about?

You want to use the one in C:\Users

Just put the new line between two other settings.

6 minutes ago, Annabelle said:

Are you sure we're talking about the same version of Sonar? I have Sonar 8.5 Producer Edition 64 Bit.

Ah, in that case, just add the line in the [WinCake] section within Cakewalk.ini.

 

12 minutes ago, Annabelle said:

In which part of the .ini file do I find that information?

Probably the easiest place to do it is in File->Advanced within preferences.

If that setting isn't in the list box, then it'll not be in Cakewalk.ini and will be using the default of 0.

Just add it within that preferences page, and it'll add it to the correct place within Cakewalk.ini.

In Cakewalk.ini, the VSTPlugInNameFormat setting determines how the name is shown.

• VSTPlugInNameFormat=0  VST Name
• VSTPlugInNameFormat=1  DLL Name
• VSTPluginNameFormat=2  VST Name with DLL name in parenthesis
• VSTPluginNameFormat=3  DLL Name with VST name in parenthesis

So you want to make sure it says:

VSTPlugInNameFormat=1

I can remember if changing this needs a plugin rescan or not.

It's worth mentioning this isn't the only way to insert measures:

Using Arranger Sections
1. Create an arranger section starting at the point you want to insert, and ending at the end of the project. 
2. Make sure "Select Events with Sections" is enabled either in the Selection Module, or under the Track View Options menu.
3. Drag the section by the amount you need.

Using Ripple Edit
1. Enable Ripple Edit All
2. Select the area you want to move further in time (e.g. CTRL +A to select all, then drag the start of the section to the time you want the time inserted)
3. Drag any part of the selection by the amount you need.
4. Turn Ripple Edit off !

8 minutes ago, sjoens said:

This zombie thread from 2019 is all very FASCINATING as the latest 2022 CbB manual says this on page 1405:

Cakewalk includes a wide variety of StudioWare panels for popular MIDI devices, with new panels constantly under development
here at Cakewalk, by equipment manufacturers, and by Cakewalk users.

It lists 19 panels.  I have 34 installed all dated 12/30/2011.  They open in Sonar 8.3 but nothing happens in X1, 2 , 3, SPlat & CbB/Sonar.  What's the trick to open them?

[I zombied this thread because it seemed the most appropriate one for this post.]

They open behind the track view - so you have to un-maximise the track view to see them (the button next to the close button on the same line as the workspaces dropdown).

21 minutes ago, Byron Dickens said:

That is Blasphemy against the Holy Elixir!

indeed it is!

1970's UK... if you asked for a coffee you'd get this...



... or if they really hated you, this:

1. Place the now time where you want to insert the measures
2. Select "Insert Time/Measures" from the Project menu
3. Enter the number of measures in the "Insert" box, make sure the "Measures" radio box is selected and all the checkboxes under "Slide" are checked (they should be by default), then click OK.

Holding down CTRL + SHIFT, then clicking any folder expand/collapse button will expand/collapse all track folders.  Doing this forceably sets the state of all folder tracks, so should sort this issue out. 

5 hours ago, Byron Dickens said:

You need bass traps - real bass traps and not chunks of foam masquerading as bass traps - before you need room correction software.

That was the initial plan for my room, except it's 1.5m x 7m, so there's literally no room for them.  ARC did the job in any case.

1 hour ago, greg54 said:

I was just looking at ARC Studio, although I don't understand how it improves what I'm listening to.   I mean, if my vocals were recorded badly (and I'm not saying they were; but maybe that's the issue.   I do record in a homemade vocal booth though), then they're not going to sound good no matter what.  I'm still trying to figure out if that is the issue or my room or what.

I have decent monitors - Adam Audio and Avantone CLA10.  I do have lots of reference tracks, and all the vocals sound different.  I was just listening to some Michael McDonald songs, and they do not sound good, as far as vocal quality is concerned.  And others, like Boz Scaggs' vocals, sound perfect.   So it's hard to know.

My issue with my vocals is that frequencies in some places (words, phrases) are too nasal, mid rangy or dark, while the rest of the vocals sound good.  Maybe I just need to learn to eq better.  Maybe it's my voice.

You could have the best monitors in the world, but they're worthless if you put them in the wrong room  or even in the wrong position in a room.  An extreme example would be to put them in a tiled bathroom - nothing is gonna sound good there. 

Almost every room has issues with certain frequencies.  If the frequencies your having problems with in your vocals also happen to be frequencies that your room either masks or boosts, then you're going to having issues mixing.  No speaker is going to change that.

The point is if you're not hearing the frequencies properly, regardless of your mixing skills you'll be making the wrong EQ decisions. 

For example, say your room has a dip at 350Hz or at 800Hz - you think everything sounds thin, so you boost the frequencies around there.  However you then play it on another system, and everything sounds muddy or nasal.  You've boosted a frequency because you can't hear it properly - not because it's not there, but because your room has EQ'd it out.

The main issue in my room was my bass response was overly exaggerated. Moving the speakers away from the wall helped, but my mixes still had almost no bass when I played them elsewhere.  I heard too much bass so I turned it down.  But the problem wasn't that there was too much bass in my mix, the problem was that my room was boosting the bass, making me think it needed turned it down.

ARC corrected the frequencies (as it happens, there were other frequencies that had issues too), and right away I heard my mixes with nearly no bass like I heard them elsewhere.  I remixed (essentially turning the bass frequencies back up), and it sounded great wherever I played them.

What room treatment software like ARC Studio do is measure your room's response from 20Hz to 20Khz with a swept tone.  Measurements are taken in several places around your listening area.  The software then attempts to boost or cut the frequencies to give a flatter response.

It probably won't solve problems like standing waves or reflections, but it can go a long way.

It's definitely worth getting a measurement mic and some measurement software and at least going through the process of measuring your room.  You can get measurement mics for around $50 -$100, and there is free software out there.

In the old days, commercial studios got people to measure their rooms in this way, then used a stereo 32 band graphic EQ to draw the inverse curve of what was measured  - the software (and the ARC Studio hardware) are just doing the same thing.

On 4/11/2024 at 9:54 AM, Starship Krupa said:

There's "Clip Automation," but their ain't no selection for "Track Automation." I'll hazard a guess that plain old "Automation" means "Track Automation?"

That's because you're selecting it from the Track filter - so track is implied.

10 minutes ago, Canopus said:

I agree. The way to delete a marker in CbB/Sonar is one of the (few) things I find unintuitive. Hover the mouse over the marker and press the Delete key? Seriously? Simply hovering over an object does not make it selected. And, to my knowledge, allowing deletion of an unselected object in a software GUI is highly unusual.

The way I think it could be done without too much hassle would be to add a Delete button to the current Marker dialog. If the mouse has been right-clicked on an existing marker, then enable the Delete button. Otherwise, disable the Delete button. Simple to achieve, yet much easier for a Cakewalk newbie to find.

Hovering the mouse over the marker and pressing delete won't delete it - because as you said, hovering doesn't select it.

You need to left click on the marker and press the delete key while the mouse button is down.  Either that, or delete them from the markers view.

I agree it's not intuitive, but it's been that way for a while, and will likely stay that way until the current marker view is replaced.  It's been discussed, but nothing has been planned yet.

6 hours ago, Xoo said:

Unfortunately MOscillator seems to have a lower limit of about 20Hz, which is too high.

The Pitch knob can be turned down to -24 (2 octaves), which will bring that down to 5Hz.

Linux is by far (IMO) the best choice for a server, and it's great for complex embedded solutions.

It can get by pretty well as a simple desktop solution if you're happy using Open Office/Libre Office or doing some web browsing - but good luck getting your printer to work, unless you're happy to compile/install some home-grown printer drivers.

As a DAW platform, just don't bother - it's really not worth the hassle, and there are zero benefits.

I'm in the process of looking at this one... it's a tricky one.

No workaround that I know of, apart from removing the tempo entries.

The most important rule is to know your monitors.  This takes hundreds of hours of listening to good mixes (from other people) on those monitors, in your mixing room, sitting in your mixing position.  Try to listen as big a range of songs you know really well as much as possible.

While this won't remove any deficiencies with your room/monitors (and FWIW every room has them), you'll at least be at a point where you know what sounds good or bad in your room.   

Pick a reference track from that list of songs that closely resembles your song and put it in your project - level match it to your project, then mute it, then every so often compare it to your song.  Listen carefully to things like the balance between vocals / instruments, and how boomy or loud the bass is.

If you're getting big discrepancies between different speakers/rooms though, I'd recommend some room correction.  I bought ARC 2 years ago, and the difference was night & day.

I'd take a look at IK's ARC Studio, which is a hardware unit - it sits between your audio interface and your monitors.  If I didn't already have ARC 2, I'd have bought it by now.

Oh... and if you are going to invest in any room correction, do this before you start listening to stuff for hundreds of hours... else you'll need to start listening from scratch!

From the Cakewalk Sonar website  FAQ's:

"Is Cakewalk Sonar replacing Cakewalk by BandLab?

Cakewalk Sonar builds and improves on Cakewalk by BandLab, offering advanced technology, effortless workflow, and an interface that amplifies inspiration. You can still access Cakewalk by BandLab here, but it will soon be phased out.

We will continue providing community support and maintenance for Cakewalk by BandLab until both Cakewalk Next and Sonar become publicly available. Existing Cakewalk by BandLab users will be able to continue using the software after the release of Cakewalk Sonar. In the meantime, Cakewalk by BandLab continues to be available here."

"Will Cakewalk by BandLab be discontinued?

Yes, eventually. We will continue providing community support and maintenance for Cakewalk by BandLab until Cakewalk Sonar becomes publicly available. At some point after the release of Sonar, Cakewalk by BandLab will no longer be supported. Note that existing Cakewalk by BandLab users will be able to continue using the software after the release of Cakewalk Sonar. In the meantime, Cakewalk by BandLab continues to be available here."

TDLR:   Existing users of CbB will continue to be able to re-activate and use CbB even after the release of Sonar.  It will eventually be phased out, but we've no immediate plans to do so. There may be a point in between however, where new users will be unable to download and/or activate CbB.

Delete Aud.ini from %APPDATA%\Cakewalk\Cakewalk Core

2 hours ago, icu81b4 said:

I tried the new Start and End Markers function, and although they show on the 'View Markers' list and work ok, They don't show up in the 'Markers Module' which is what I use to get to the start ( All the others markers show up ok) 

Workaround is just put a normal marker in at the start as the 'End' marker stops the project. 

 

btw:- Thanks for the update.   

 

 

It'll be there for the next update.

For CC control, you're much better off using the ACT Control Surface rather than the Generic Control Surface.  IIRC the Generic Control Surface was there more as an example for control surface manufacturers to reference if they wanted to use the Cakewalk Control Surface API to create their own custom surface DLL.

AZController can do just about anything, but unless you're technically minded, it can be a challenge to set up.  That being said, there may be an existing preset for your device that you can download on @azslow3's website, or some of the users there may be able to make one for you.

In any case, here's how you set up ACT:

Here's another with a bit more detail on changing the defaults:

And here's how you map plugin parameters: