Blogospherianman

I personally like to disable "input echo" on the track I'm recording and monitor  the direct signal from the Audio Interface control panel.  This way my latency settings are not affecting the actual direct signal that I'm monitoring coming in.

You don't wanna hear both.  Either monitor in Cakewalk OR the audio interface control panel, just not both together. Either disable input echo or pull the direct signal fader down in the interface.  You might have another track with that same input with Input Echo On as well.  You might disable all track Input Echo from the control bar.

Checked mine and I’m on Win 10 Ver 1903 but it does say there is a feature update.  I’m guessing that it will turn game mode on... Currently game mode is off. Not a fan of Win 10 update practices.  I had uninstalled Catalyst Control Center and cleaned in safe mode only to find 2 days later Windows had reinstalled it.  I’ve since unchecked the box for other drivers besides Windows. Fun stuff! 😄

Thanks for the heads up! 👍

4 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

As I said the shift click is for the "rewind to start of clip" behavior. Its not intended to seek to the click position itself. 
If you want to seek to the click position in a lane, click on the top half of the clip. That allows you to set the position while playing (if set during playback is enabled)

It’s not allowing me to set the position and select the clip at the same time during playback with Comp enabled on the smart tool.  I can select a clip but playback won’t start where I click.  I can click the middle of the clip which will start playback at that position but won’t select (isolate) that clip.   It will select the clip and playback from the clip beginning If I Shift Select.   It will select the clip and move the playhead there when the song is stopped.,  I need it to select the clip I click on and playback from where I’ve clicked.

What I’m used to is pre-slicing the phrases of the takes I’m comping. Then during playback I’m selecting each take one at a time till I decide what’s best.  Then clicking and listening to the next phrase and so forth.  Previously, while comping, selecting a take during playback would play everything from the start of that clip.  So now to do this I’m having to hold Shift then select.  I would at least like to not have to hold shift to accomplish this like before (Tablet pen in right hand selecting listening  and choosing while the left hand holds the frosted fudge little debbies) . But a step further would be  to allow both the selection of the clip and setting the playback while comping when that setting is set.

It’s a small thing but definitely noticed the change.  

I really appreciate all of the hard work going into Cakewalk and don’t want any of my small nags to over shadow all of the Greatness that’s being done. Loving all of the new features as well as the squashing of old and new bugs! I didn’t mean to nag at the bottom of an announcement thread Sorry! ✌️

13 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Not exactly. Previously it would play from the start of the clip not the now position. Completely different function. In comp nose clicking the lower half is supposed to isolate not additionally rewind the now time by default that's why we decoupled the two. And made it require a shift gesture. There is no change in behavior from the past in that regard except that it isn't the default.

I think the part throwing me is having to hold Shift where as before it was simply Clicking while comping both selected the clip and played it from the start of the clip.  I don’t want to have to hold shift the entire time I’m comping.  The more I can do one handed with my graphics tablet pen the better.

I would prefer comp mode to allow for selecting the clip as well as playing from the point of selection (when set during playback is selected) , all the while not having to press shift.

One small issue,  in comping mode even with Set during playback I have to hold shift when clicking a take lane  to get the newly chosen clip to play.  With Comp disabled from the smart tool It’ll play where ever I click.  With comp mode enabled it will let me click the middle of the clip to play from there without selecting it.

I personally liked clicking the comp to choose and have it playback instantly without having to hold shift.

I does work to hit stop first then select and hit play. I wanna here the newly chosen clip to play instantly from the place of the clip where I clicked it.  Holding shift plays it from it’s beginning.  Slows me down when comping.  🤔

Originally South Arkansas, but been in Branson, MO USA for 20 years now though.  ✌️

3 hours ago, GBTBassist said:

Hi Mark

 

Apologies if this is not the correct/appropriate channel, but I just allowed the Bandlab update and now a number of my mastering plugins are generating distortion/pops/clicks. All was fine prior to the update but like many others I didnt realise there was no 'uninstall update' option to revert back to a previous version. It seems like you have previous installer versions - could I beg one off you too?

Regards

GBT

Have you tried unchecking ‘plugin load balancing’ in Preferences, Audio, Playback and Recording?

I’ve had issues with certain plugins generating noise in places where there aren’t any clips with load balancing checked.  Works fine while the clips were playing.  Unchecking fixed it for me. J/c

1 hour ago, devonaire45 said:

Thanks for the response.  I'd still rather use the expression pedal to control the leslie.  If someone could clarify the points in my first post, I'd appreciate it.

You can assign your expression pedal to send any CC you want via your keyboard. CC11 expression, CC1 Mod, CC7 Vol, etc

I didn’t mean to sound like you shouldn't use the expression pedal to control the leslie. I meant for you to not use the CC11 as you may want to use that for swell, assigning your expression pedal to say CC1.  Again there’s no wrong way. Plenty of freely assignable CCs to go around.

Whatever CC you use you can assign in your Hammond VST. Which Hammond VST are you using?

Also, what model keyboard are you using?

In my live rig I have one Expression pedal for CC11 (expression) and another Expression pedal for the Leslie control (via CC1).

At home I have 3 Hammond Organs. I added a toe switch (still can use the half moon switch as well) to my 57 B3 for those moments I don’t wanna let go. 😀

40 minutes ago, devonaire45 said:

Ok - I now have a controller event.  Where do you change the volume to 7 and "the value" to 100, please?  Also: is this viable for live performance?  I'm trying to get the expression pedal to control leslie speed in a Hammond vst  while I'm playing.  Sometimes I just run out of hands!

You should be using expression to control the swell (volume) of the organ and instead use Mod for the leslie.  I have a pedal in my live setup for Leslie control via Mod CC1.  Also use it to soften the horns while on my piano/string/horns patch.  Separate pedal for expression, then using sliders to attenuate volume CC7separate of the Expression pedal CC11.

No wrong way but some ways can help the flow.

On 5/14/2019 at 10:37 AM, jkoseattle said:

Long time CW user, but just bought a keyboard with a mod wheel and expression pedal. I understand that I can assign them to different effects/channels for each instrument, but I don't understand where/how I do that. The instruments are EastWest Play. Can someone point me to where I assign mod wheel and expression pedal settings?

You’ll want to assign what the pedals are sending via your keyboard first. Sure, you can reassign but if you always want CC11 for expression from the pedal and CC1 for mod from the wheel then  it’s best to do it at the source for consistency.  Most companies use standard CCs so you don’t ‘have to’ use s learn functions or  saving the odd or unassigned CCs for the things like all the other things you can use it for like delay feedback or hall level. You don’t want to loose functionality of one thing to gain another. 

I have multiple controller patches saved in the Master Keyboard which I change to match the setup. VSL, NI, EW.

In East West you just load your patch and then right click any knob or fader and hit midi learn and then wiggle your midi controller. It will then learn whatever CC you previously told your keyboard to send when receiving your pedal or mod input.

 You didn’t mention what the keyboard is. 

Hope that helps! If not, type more. 😀

✌️

On a real piano you really figure out how to work the pedals in their full glory.  Growing up on acoustic piano I really miss it when a library doesn’t have continuous CC64 (0-127).  Vienna’s Synchron Pianos nail it beautifully!! Roland keyboards do a great job of it as well. 

When I was using Quantum Leap East West Pianos I created a script for  Bome’s midi translator and Cakewalk ACT make their Pianos Sustain pedal Continuous and gradual for pedaling as well as repedaling (lift pedal then repedal before the strings are completely dampened.  Worked really well.  

Vienna’s new pianos are amazing though.  CFX and Steinway D.  Their new Blüthner has a fourth set of strings  in the mid to higher range tuned an octave up from the strings they’re next to. They don’t get struck by the hammer but simply vibrate sympathetically.  A Blüthner is what was played on ‘Let It Be’.

✌️

1 hour ago, David Baay said:

On a synth that supports it, any value between 0 and 127 is technically "half-pedaling".  Synths that don't support it will treat anything <64 as 0 (pedal up), and anything >= 64 as 127 (pedal down).

Technically 0 is no pedaling, 127 is full pedaling. 64 is half pedaling, 32 is 1/4 pedaling 96 is 3/4 pedaling.  Saying anything between 0-127 is ‘half pedaling’ simply is incorrect. There’s other fractions between these values as well using division.  You’re not at half until you reach 64.  😄✌️ I agree with you on the other stuff.

20 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

If you want to continue editing why do need to freeze?

Say I’ve frozen a virtual synth down and  l need to adjust some timing in a certain place and don’t really need or want to reload the synth just to snip and slide a few notes.

Also say if I’ve Auto tuned in graphical mode by hand and freeze that track. Auto tune can get squirrelly when jumping around the timeline so it makes sense to apply the tuning.  nowadays I’ll bounce it to a new track and archive the tuning track which I may revisit to tune a phrase harder or softer or fix something that didn’t work good.  I always do tuning first and then Timing adjustments.  In the Old days I’d just clone the track before freezing and archive (for revisiting purposes, then freeze the original and add more layers and get to slicing and sliding for timing adjustments.  I’ve adjusted my workflow to more of a bounce to track flow, but there’s many a time I have a frozen track I wish I had layers to accommodate further editing.

I edit plenty before freezing or bouncing but there’s always more editing to do.  Sometimes you don’t wanna load the entire vSL string section back in MIR in their on stage positions just to adjust a timing thing. I typically will edit the midi at the same time if I make a timing adjustment so if I do need to rebounce I have the midi corrected as well.

Or I bounced the drums and now I wanna steal a cymbal crash and place it in a new layer to Reverse and lead up to a moment.

You get the idea.  It was very annoying when I switched to Cakewalk from the X series.  I have since altered my workflow and it’s only a minor inconvenience.  We had more freedom before though.

1 hour ago, Blindeddie said:

Sustain is MIDI CC 64, so you need to add  the event to the control lane (at the bottom of the PRV) and then draw in the sustains (64-127 for Sustain, 0-63 for no Sustain)

see page 812 of the reference guide on detailed info about adding MIDI CC in PRV.

Peace,

Blindeddie

A lot of newer pianos actually have half pedaling that goes gradually from no sustain to full sustain 0 - 127 with 64 being half pedaling.    So be mindful you may have to account for that as well.

4 hours ago, msmcleod said:

What I tend to do with frozen tracks is:

1.  Freeze the track
2. Copy (CTRL + SHIFT + drag) the frozen audio to another audio track
3. Unfreeze the original track, and archive it (press the "A" button)

I like to make a new track and name it, then bounce to track to the track I just created. Then I archive and hide the original.  Skips the step of having to unfreeze. (Unfreeze will sometimes flip the phase button out of phase)

10 minutes ago, Keni said:

  On 8/6/2019 at 9:30 PM, Blades said:

So I guess what I want to know on the lanes is "can one lane of audio overlap another and have both heard" just like separate tracks or are overlapping regions still treated as "one or the other plays"?

 Not a big deal really either way, just trying to understand what is different than just the comping was.

 I can hardly remember why I cared that much about layers vs tracks in folders anyway!

Click the top half of a clip in a take  lane and press K to unmute it.  You can have as many lanes playing as you like.

I do wish layers were still available after freezing like back in the X1 days so I could freeze and then still edit with the lanes without having to bounce to track or drag copy.

22 minutes ago, NTO said:

This came up for my search so I'll try for reply here!😊

I can't understand why I'm not getting the snap I set in the PRV.  I checked the video mentioned above, and the specific was not clarified.  (Looks like great assistance though, and I will strive to watch all segments😵).

I have Edit > Preferences > Snap to Grid - set to 'Extreme' and using the 'Magnetic Test there seems to works as expected.  However, in the PRV, I'm getting all these 'in-between' steps.  What am I missing?

TIA

 

Uncheck the Midi sign and marker sign next to the 1/2.  Having those checked will snap to midi events and markers. Pg 809 in the reference manual. 😄

I’ve used it as a Vocoder using Reaktor Razor. Very cool!

I love to change things.  I used to copy the dlls to the Cakewalk VST folder.  I got tired of copying so I made the change of adding their folders to my scan.  I'm certainly not the type of guy who gets scammed.  I drop companies very quickly if I feel scammed or taken advantage of.  

Not sure why the C drive license method is tied to CPU/MOB but I have seen cases of such even with Microsoft Windows.  I've had my Waves plugs on the same OLD USB for quite a few years now (quite a few computers as well) and probably should move them to a different USB stick.  

I definitely sympathize with your frustrations and wish I could be more helpful .

Good luck creating music with which ever software suits you.  You certainly have a good enough CPU to handle ANY software you throw at it. 😀

Let me know if I can help in any way! Peace! 

On 7/28/2019 at 11:39 AM, richard greenidge said:

Antler, I love the Wave plugins. I've been dealing with computers for a long time and Cakewalk since Cakewalk DOS. I have a lot of plug-ins that go back to 1990 that wasn't from Cakewalk. I have more Wave plug-ins than anyone else because of sales, discounts etc. Almost every year I upgrade, my computer or had to increase the size my hard drives. I have no problem installing  other plug-ins I bought from others, I have a iLok. With Waves every time I upgrade something, they don't use regular VST extensions, they have some special folders, and when it doesn't load Cakewalk can't find the Wave files. I found out when my boot drive failed last year and I thought it was my motherboard, that they only allow you to download their files once a year. So they only option you have is you have to go a year without it, or buy a new one which you may pay more than the original. They also want you to pay yearly for each plug-in you bought for upgrades, and updates for each, and mine come up to over $300 a year if I'm correct. Everyone else, if you change hardware, you either have a iLok, put in your serial numbers go to the website, sign in, if you have to download the program again like Cakewalk and it works, I have no problem. The problem is, that I bought this item and I expect it to be available to me when I want to use it. It takes hours of adjusting to get the sound you wanted and then it's not there now because you altered your computer. They know you are not a pirate because you have to sign in, but if you want to download your stuff again, you have to pay if you did it once that year. So all your 50 plug-ins are dead, for a year unless you want to pay for something you already paid for. Are you willing to pay them $400 after you just upgraded your computer for something you thought you bought and was your forever. You can't make up for the hours you spent customizing settings etc. For me, if I have a problem with something I have to let it go. I feel like I have been robbed, me upgrading my computer has nothing to do with what I purchased from you. If you policies don't agree and it wasn't free. I am not willing to get ripped off anymore, and that's what I feel they did is ripped me off. If that is their EULA sorry if I don't agree and didn't see it coming and it is NOT the norm. I not looking to change their policy for just me, it's not like anyone else's.   

Waves has multiple options for keeping up with your ‘Keys’.  Cloud (where your keys are when you buy the plugs), C drive (where they go after installation), USB stick ( where you SHOULD move them to after installation) Waves doesn’t even make you buy iLok! You can use any old USB stick. If you put your licenses on the C drive and wipe your drives clean to change CPU or hard drives then you’ve essentially thrown away your cars keys and then complain that the dealership will only give you 1 new set a year.  Waves will let you download as many times as you like, even multiple computers.  Keep up with your keys! Use a USB stick for crying out loud.  😂

You can also move licenses back to the cloud for changing CPU or hard drive and then back to C drive.  Why not just keep your ‘keys’ on the USB stick?  You probably have the latest and greatest one of those I’m assuming. 😉

Also their plugs can be found in

c:\program files (x86)\common files\vst3

c:\program files\common files\vst3

c:\program files\vstplugins

Add those to your scan path and rescan in Cakewalk when you install or add new stuff.

Fairly straight forward. 😄

Lastly, they aren’t forcing you to update or upgrade any of your plugins. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.  I’m still driving a 96 Ford explorer. Does Ford want me to upgrade to the 2019 model with bluetooth and Sirius? YES  Do I upgrade? NO  my 96 Ford is still getting me where I need to go.

I do understand your frustrations, but a lot of that could be self inflicted.

I am definitely feeling CPU envy though!😄✌️

I’m having an issue when dragging an FX Chain with Waves plugins from one track’s bin to another. It drags fine but all of the FX on the A side of all the Waves plugins are nulled.

It worked fine when I tried to replicate it with a brand new chain until I saved it as a TEST Chain preset, then inserted the newly saved preset in a track’s  FX bin and then dragged it to a new track. At that point they null.

Workaround is copy A side to B side before dragging or just reinsert the preset on the new track. Drag copy also works fine.

Any thoughts?

On 8/1/2019 at 1:00 PM, Blogospherianman said:

1,000,000,000,000 quarter notes

/133 beats per minute

=7,518,796,922.481203 minutes long

 /60 min per hour

=125,313,283.2070201 hours long

/24 hours a day

= 5,221,386.800334169 days

/ 365.2422 in a year (leap years included)

 =14,295.68324890763 years.

I guess that would be the short scale trillion used by most folks.

For those in countries using the long scale it might go like this:

1,000,000,000,000,000,000

/133 beats a minute

=7,518,796,992,481,200

/60

=125,313,283,208,020

/24

= 5,221,386,800,334.167

/365.2422

14,295,683,248.80762

Over 14 billion years!!

So even if it kicked off with the big bang 13.8 billion years ago, we’d still have...

495,683,248.90762 years to go.  

Very cool!!

3 hours ago, David Baay said:

Ah,  "edit while recording"...  that's a different animal. Yes, not possible in PRV currently.

I’m really good at multitasking but at what point are you trying to play notes and simultaneously edit them?  Other than input quantize...  You wouldn’t edit snare drum from the 1st two bars while you were still recording the 3rd and 4th bars would you? 🤔

(There is Live editing happening in your brain while playing. 😄)

Just like audio, you must hit the spacebar and stop to start editing.  Just cause you have to hit stop, doesn’t mean you have to stop the flow.

If you must maintain your groove while editing, It’s easy to time your spacebar - spacebar or spacebar - R to keep your loop going in time while letting the clip appear in the PRV to edit while the clip is still playing. Give yourself  enough time to stop and then start right on the downbeat again (Keep the groove alive). 

I’m assuming you’re speaking of not having to spacebar (stop) to begin editing, unless there’s some other ‘Edit while recording’ process that I’m not familiar with. That’s why I LOVE this place so much though, to learn yet another way of doing something.

Cakewalk is a giant sandbox, not much you can’t do with it.

8 hours ago, Craig Anderton said:

So how do you edit it  while recording? I'll play with it some more, perhaps my  opinions are based on when I tried to do this with older versions, but couldn't.

 

Assuming you don’t literally mean editing while actually playing, simply hit the spacebar to stop and adjust your notes in the Piano roll view. Then hit R to start recording again.  Your passes will be separate midi  clips in the lanes which you can keep that way to have elements separate or bounce them to a single clip if you like it altogether.  And now that they fixed the nudge in the PRV you can lay that snare back with nudge without fear of changing lanes! 😉

This method of Drum pattern like recording has worked with every Sonar as far back as I can remember. 🤔

3 hours ago, Craig Anderton said:

I should have specified the MIDI piano roll view. The problem is  you can't hear what was previously recorded when dealing with the piano roll view. You can use the step sequencer, but that's a different animal compared to the piano roll view.  Sometimes I still miss Master Tracks Pro...

It works in piano roll view for me. 🤔

Sounds to me like the classic case of arming the midi take lane instead of the parent track.  With Sound on sound recording of midi, if you arm the Parent track of the Midi track you Can  hear what you’ve previously recorded and add more and it will add new track lanes each time (which you can also hear).  

It works with loop recording as well . When loop recording you’ll hear them but won’t see them until you hit stop.

With a higher midi buffer shorter Loops of say 2bars the recorded midi might not play the 1 loop around (midi buffer dependent... say on 2500 midi buffer) It’s not a problem on say a Midi Buffer of 250.  I usually hit spacebar then R and add more. Plays each previous part while recording

19 minutes ago, Craig Anderton said:

For example, there's still no way in CbB to build up a drum machine pattern using MIDI recording and overdubbing.

 I'm curious as to what's preventing you from doing this?  Cakewalk is a Drum machine on Steroids! 😃

We do have sound on sound recording of midi and Looping for not having to stop, as well as rewind on stop.