simon

this was definitely a freebie at some point - after one of the surveys I think

thanks - and yes I've already downloaded the offline installers 'just in case' - but shame they felt the need to remove them from Waves Central. It was basically just trying to put extra barriers up to existing customers who hadn't subscribed - no other reason IMO

it had already pretty much slowed to a halt. The expensive stuff (Clarity Pro and Spherix) was excluded for no good reason - apart from to make more money from their customers.

I very respectfully totally disagree ? I have all the SD2 and SD3 expansions and about 50% of the EZD2/3 - there is a massive difference in the sound character between all the packs. A simple rule is the newer the release the better the sound - although I still love that 70s dry sound of the original SD2 custom and vintage pack. To give context I also have BFD3 - AD1/2 - All the NI Kontakt ones etcetera and in my opinion nothing come close to SD3 - in both sound and usability. I'm not trying to say you're wrong as it's clearly all a matter of opinion (although you are wrong - but I'm a TT fanboy so take that into account)

mostly - apart from the usual suspects which are full price no sign of the upgrade options to bundles for existing perpetual users though. also Google - "codependency": "We hate you Waves for what you have done, you are the worst most immoral company" etc etc......"What's that ? You brought us flowers ? ($29.99 plugins) Welcome back, You've convinced me you'll behave much better from now on" (not judging anyone for falling for it, just think it's funny how we ALL behave 🕊️)

and the UK too it looks totally superb - exactly what most have been asking for I'd also say that anybody who doesn't have EZKeys V1 and is thinking of buying should take advantage of the Prerelease sale - if you buy EZkeys V1 you get EZK2 for free on release BUT you'll get the additional MIDI and sounds from your EZK1 pack - so choose wisely.

There's a prerelease announcement on the TT website now whoop whoop upgrade is 79euro full is 179euro Released May 16th (damn!)

anybody tried this - any major changes - have they added back installing v13 and earlier ?

FWIW looks like Waves have made perpetual licenses available on their website $29.99 etc (still looks a little broken however!)

I shan't comment here on the Arturia comparison apart from to say it's apples/oranges (ie totally different ) Personally, I'd suggest you wait a little while before you WUP until the perpetual licences go back on sale. It's often much cheaper to upgrade your bundle to the next one up, you should get your 7 plugins, plus extra ones from the 'enhanced' bundle - plus you get WUP on that bundle for the year. Win - Win Even cheaper if you get from a 3rd party such as everyplugin - but who knows if they'll reinstate all that and obviously we don't know how the upgrade pricing is going to look until Waves get it all back online. it's possible to make WUP work for you if you're careful (of course it's just my 2p )

hope April 3rd is the release date - not the announcement date (fingers still crossed!) I think I'm a TT fanboy (sorry!)

it's bound to look like EZD3 personally I'm more than happy to pay - lots of us had about 10 years of use out of V1 - and TT always seem reasonable on upgrade prices (compared to WAVES and their $240 yearly WUP )

fingers crossed it's EZKeys 2 (take my money...please!)

they care a little bit though I suspect because the CDN will charge them per download, which is why IKM have that awful charge to re-download after 12 months. UVI win the 'Massive Download For A Tiny Update' award 2023 though. They consider a 3 GB download for wimps.

pouring with rain here and a +1 for all the Tone Projects stuff . they also do a free version of Bassline that's worth installing if you don't already have it.

yes, it took me a while as well

I give up

can you be more specific, for what V1 to V2 product ? Pigments ? Nope. other bundles when they have added extra products and totally upgraded how the products are coded, yes (but never $240 as stated) TBH I think you've totally failed to comprehend the difference between how companies normally deal with upgrades/updates and WUP. It's always worth doing a bit of research before posting other wise it might make you look a bit foolish (IMO)

yes, Arturia's business model is nothing like Waves you get 5 (?) licences to use on various machines as standard upgrades to packages are always actual upgrades their actual upgrade prices are pretty reasonable (never $240) and always take into account any extra plugins you bought since last time they actually often update their plugins with audio engine and GUI improvements they never force you to subscribe they always allow you to buy a perpetual licences they regularly update their plugins years after release, for free (I'm currently on Pigments v4 and I only paid for V1) etc. Unfortunately some posters loves to spread misinformed opinion and incorrect, random speculation.

probably not worth worrying about the extra $10 but yes - you either wupped something that was already wupped or you added multiple versions of the same plugin. It's definitely capped at $240 if you follow the waves 'rules' and always was - but they make as difficult as possible so they can get more money from you.

I think it's unlikely they are gonna try and do that in the short term. If you are on Windows it's not hugely urgent either as even pretty old Waves plugins still run ok(ish) on Win11. Personally I'd wait for all the heat to settle down before doing anything - zero rush (IMO!) The rule with WUP is only do it if it's worthwhile ie: 1. You have a bundle and they have added plugins that you want 2. They have added features/fixes to plugins that you think are worth paying for 3. You need the 2nd licence that WUP gives you 4. You own an Apple Mac and there is an "R" in the month. It's often better to check your 'upgrade options' rather than WUP - as it's often much (much!) cheaper and you get extra plugs and a year of WUP thrown in.

They haven't restored the purchase option for perpetual plugins yet so I wouldn't expect to see the upgrades. Having said that who know what they will implement - or what prices they will attempt to charge.

yep - odd. I'm not sure where NA keeps it's database of what's installed but it's possible that it's got a bit corrupted moving backwards and forwards between v1/v2 ?

I think the youtuber has misunderstood all the stuff Vocal Rider actually does - but why let facts get in the way of a youtube video ? it's also funny at the end when he says there is no difference in the waveform....and there clearly is also did he pay $249 for it ? - no wonder he's angry

I've picked up ilok licences for the 1176 (smasher) for free in various giveaways and yes it's pretty good I also like the Echorec I think it's some of the ex-arturia devs that formed Pulsar so they know how to make an pretty GUI