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8 hours ago, Kirean said:

Just wondering how do you calculate how much a new bank is worth?

In general, I'd say the short answer is look around the market and pick something that's competitive.

The longer answer is that worth and value are completely subjective to the individual. The world's most detailed string library probably isn't too interesting to someone who does lo-fi, while someone who does film scoring might be ok with a higher price tag. Likewise, such composer probably wouldn't care much for a plugin that trashes and warbles their final mix.

While we are talking synth presets, the same principles apply: does a potential customer like the sound of the patches? Will they help them to learn the synth? Most synths don't come with 400 factory patches - would someone prefer to pay for another plugin on their list, or would they rather have a larger sonic palette at their disposal for the same cost? If they're a exclusively preset-user, the latter might seem to be better value as it comes down to buying a pool of sounds - and having them all in one plugin is arguably more convenient, especially if they don't have the time/inclination to learn another plugin.

That said, who buys plugins/preset packs at full price? ?

Welcome back, Larry!

If you've bought similar products in the past, be sure to log into your account as you may be eligible for additional cross-grade discounts.

I understand the purpose of limited-time flash offers (i.e. to trigger FOMO). But to do one for less than half a day - i.e. leave out potential customers who've gone to sleep for the night - seems a little bit too short. But what do I know?

In any case, I don't have the products required to use these anyway.

1 hour ago, GoncaloL said:

the previous model was even scarier! “Musio for life”
i really dont see how do you keep producing quality libraries for ten or more years and all you got was 499$ (from each sell)in the beggining and nothing more… ever

If you watch the AMA (at least from around 18:00 mins), they say they won't be doing the lifetime licence again. They used the funds to build up their product to where it is today; their gift to these 'founders' is that they never have to pay for any of Musio's  updates again. All customers from that point will have to pay for Musio 1, Musio 2, etc... and/or subscribe for new instruments.

3 hours ago, PavlovsCat said:

the strategy was to try and upsell Musio customers to KONTAKT versions

Are they still using that strategy? I got the impression they're pretty much fully committed to Musio now. Also, some have no Kontakt equivalent, e.g. CineStrings Pro, Women of the North (the female counterpart to the Men of the North library).

As you've mentioned, they are targeting the non-established composer end of the market; they have podcasts on subjects pro composers would already have knowledge on, e.g. the business end of getting into composing.

14 minutes ago, Fleer said:

I guess many of us with Kontakt versions of these libraries are waiting to get their Musio versions before diving in. 

Much of it's already there - at least the cinesymphony series. There are a few Musio exclusives too.

22 minutes ago, Bad Penguin said:

I am really trying to keep my drum purchases limited to sdx's . . . please help me with this (after the above 2 endorsements)

I'll try...

EZXs are typically processed and cut down 'ready-to-use' versions of SDXs. If that's so with this one, you can make the corresponding SDX sound pretty much like the EZX. If it's not, you should find you can get some way there depending on which SDXs you have. By using the SDX versions, you force yourself to learn to process drums, as well as being able to be more flexible with the outcome; in both cases, you become a better audio engineer.

(not sure if it worked, but I tried...)

1 hour ago, Heath Row said:

With regards to Studio One addons, they wont be available only to subscribers, they will be available to all but not through the PreSonus shop, for non subscribers they will be made available via 3rd party means.

Where did you find this information from? Is there a thread on the Presonus forum?

3 hours ago, MrFigg said:

Will never install anything NI again. 

Does that include iZotope and PA, which now fall under NI too?

2 hours ago, Bapu said:

Am I missing the point here? Was Lead Architect ever a perpetual product (i.e. SO 6.5) offering and now it's being taken away?

Not the way I see it. It's a new product that was not included in the 6.6 perpetual product. 

Nothing was "taken away". It was just not offered to perp users as an upgrade feature.

Am I wrong? (in the voice of Walter Sobchak) 

You're right about Lead Architect. It's more about the add-ons you can no longer buy (not everyone can say installed to every plugin ?); see this post:

1 hour ago, Kirean said:

So perpetual from the get-go is ~300-400 bucks.

Studio One+ Hybrid - is around 200 and you get the Studio One Perpetual at the end of the sub.

What's the point of buying perpetual if you can get it for cheaper with the sub? What am I missing?

If you renew every year, you pay ~200 per year.

Perpetual is ~300-400 for the first purchase. Then ~150 for an upgrade, which typically doesn't come out every year. (This assumes they'll continue with upgrade pricing. When CorelDRAW went sub, upgrades were discontinued; you can still buy a perpetual for full-price though. But, it's important to note these are different markets.)

It's arguable you don't need to renew every year as you'll get a perpetual for the core product. But if you use any sub-only features, my assumption is you also won't be able to open your projects.

8 hours ago, Resonant Serpent said:

If you cancel the hybrid subscription you keep a license that you can't update for S1, but you lose access to all of the addons. So, to open a song made with the S1 sub, you'd have to pay again to have access if those are included in your song.

Hmm... Seems I didn't read the fine-print. Yes, that does sounds a bit rubbish, and also very much like why I don't like the all-or-nothing subscription model. It's possible to mitigate by using the core plugin suite and/or third-party plugins only, but losing access to the extras without an option to buy separately sounds like a dark pattern to me.

11 hours ago, Lee D said:

I have to assume they will get rid of the normal professional license which costs way more since it makes no sense to buy it instead of Studio One+ Hybrid...

It seems so on the face of it, but it depends: I don't think they release a major version every year, which possibly makes a standalone Pro licence cheaper in the long run as you don't have to pay the subscription fee every year.

Also, they might review feedback from this move to determine whether or not sub-only is a feasible route.

11 hours ago, Yan Filiatrault said:

It depends. Someone said on another forum that the way the details are written, if you stop the Studio One + Hybrid subscription, you get a Pro perpetual license, but you can't update to the latest version, for example from 6.5 to 6.6. Seems to me similar to the Bitwig Studio subscription model.

... and/or WUP-lite. They promise bugfix patches (e.g. 1.1 -> 1.1.1), but why would they release such patches for past releases (e.g. 1.1.2, when 1.2 is live)?

I like S1, but I'm not sure about this direction they're moving in.

Generally, I love SL libraries. But I've already got a quite few brass libraries.

1 hour ago, Solidos said:

This also seems to mark the end of buying the add-ons seperately for your existing perpetual license. ?

So you will only be able to use things like Audio Batch Converter, Retro Mix Legends, Console Shaper, etc. with a Studio One+ sub, if you haven't bought them in the past.

Too bad - I had Retro Mix Legends on my wishlist. Ah well, I've got console strips, etc. from PA, United Plugins, AudioThing, and probably some others I've forgotten about.

Cool. I've always been tempted by those and wondered why they didn't do a bundle. But all sounds in one instrument is better, because it gives more possibilities.

Sadly though, it'll have to go on my wish-list for now; I'm a bit overspent at the moment.

3 hours ago, Last Call said:

https://spectral-plugins.com/a/downloads/-/aee5d25bdc2b7b1e/68db4c3ea6774d9b

https://spectral-plugins.com/a/downloads/-/a7d54aade234f2f3/ad09b09c10fe5631

https://spectral-plugins.com/a/downloads/-/4ba9cca893996577/b204305aae45f840

 

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Respectively.

Thanks.

I wasn't sure why they'd be collecting emails to download the now discontinued plugins if they're (sadly) shutting down shop.

They've also included a new subscription offering: Studio One+ Hybrid. Looks like if you stop paying, you get to keep the current version of S1 you had. Not sure if you get minor-version updates, but this is a nice idea.

27 minutes ago, jngnz said:

It’s all he ever does with any plugin.

Possibly because by now, the start-up VST scan takes over a day ?

2 hours ago, Carl Ewing said:

I prefer this, as I use both templates and external hardware FX. Just by taking a split second look at the channel-send section tells me what's being used & the level of each, without having to look at the names. If send 1, 3 & 7 are being used, I know what they are, and if 2, 4 & 8 are blank I know what's not being used. This applies to console view and channel view. This would be a mess if only used sends were stacked on top of one another regardless of Send #. 

This is also helpful from UI perspective when looking at 100 tracks in the mixer...since all send #s are on a horizontal line. I can just scan that line in the mixer and see everything going to Send #7 on a horizontal line. Same as a hardware mixer. If this wasn't the case it would be a nightmare for solving gain staging issues, especially with complex side-chaining setups.

So there are features from hardware that I like having replicated in software. But having it as a simple preference setting would be cool too.

 

Thanks for the insight. I'm coming at this from both the perspectives of someone new to Cubase, and a hobbyist who hasn't done that many orchestration projects. What you're saying does make sense with the parallel of hardware ports in mind, and can see how this could be a useful indicator, especially in larger projects and/or with shorter timescales.

And this is an example of why I ask for opinions of those more experienced than I; thanks to all who've contributed.

1 hour ago, kitekrazy said:

No.  Try a demo instead of listening to others.

Sound advice (no pun intended). I've decided to give it a go. I realise I probably won't touch every feature though, simply because I might not know about them to use them, and so would appreciate hearing about any unique/'must-have' features if anyone has any insights. There are a few posts saying the MIDI capabilities are really advanced, but I'm not sure which ones specifically they are - from what I've read, I've so far seen the logic editor it one of the most powerful features.

Edit: also, there's a lot to go through if I want to take advantage of the Best Service Easter codes which are available up until 1 April.

1 hour ago, kitekrazy said:

Sometimes it's not always about features but does it gel with you.

Very true. So far, I'm finding the UX and concepts to be a mix of S1 and Sonar, which is understandable from its heritage. But coming from S1, it feels there's a need to be very explicit - e.g. deleting a send doesn't move the sends below it up; it leaves a blank space. Not saying it's 'bad': I expect the concept works well for the user base; it's just seems a bit strange to me at first.

1 hour ago, kitekrazy said:

Cubase is a click twice to exit. 

I found that really confusing at first - I click the X, but the dialogue pops up again.

5 hours ago, Steev said:

In fact Sound Forge Pro 10 loads 2x as fast as v15

Give Acon Digital Acoustica a go - there's a 30 day trial if you're interested

https://acondigital.com/products/acoustica

1 hour ago, Kirean said:

They're running out of available version numbers before 8.0

There's nothing to stop them (or any software version) going to 7.10.0 - the middle number (usually denoting minor version) typically isn't restricted to being a single digit.

49 minutes ago, njm255 said:

Going to really dive into the MIDI since that's what everybody is raving about with Cubase. 

Please let us know if there's anything you find truly unique.

Glad to see they're trying to address some of the fears around subscriptions.

#3's a smart move too.