hadada

18 minutes ago, Kinn2021 said:

Thank you for your reply.

Due to copyright protection, I cannot share the dll with you myself, but I can share the download link that the support team gave me.

Incidentally, do you know how to give effective feedback?

All along, the support team just let me clean install Cakewalk. but I think this is actually a bug in Cakewalk itself.

Thanks, I think the staff can see it when you post here. Maybe because I didn't run installer in English. forum link

You can do this using a theme editor. This is the default state. I didn't color anything.

Same problem here, I don't have it too, Maybe its installation stopped by something. Could you share that .dll.

I wish I could select with the spacebar. The Enter key is too far for me. Both the plug-in and the arrange track, articulation map can be selected with the spacebar.

On 3/19/2023 at 1:09 AM, Traveler said:

My request - please add mouse wheel scrolling to the SENDS menu.

I have numerous sends per project and clicking the up & down arrows is a tedious way to get to the bottom of the list to ADD or DELETE a send.

Thanks!

 

For example, if you want to search New Aux Track you can press N, the same goes for plug-ins, press B to find bx_console, but it didn't work on Asian languages Because it's translated, I hope it can be fixed.

C:\Cakewalk Content\Cakewalk Core\PlayList Files

You can use cwaf tool to find it.

I think this is just because the midi channels are different, make sure every event is on one midi channel, or set kontakt's midi channel to omni. when you copy & paste it, you didn't copy the cc data, only copy notes, So make it works fine.

I'm sorry, because I'm not an English native, so I've expressed things too concisely, I didn't realize that because you don't use piano roll you're not familiar with the Daw workflow and may not understand what I'm saying, first of all I mean that the legato technique is impossible to display correctly in piano roll, it has latency that need to be adjusted, secondly it needs to be overlapped so you can't write this technique with just staff view. Then I propose to double it with another long technique. This long track is for doubling other techniques by using articulation maps. You can double it with different techniques. This is for when I think it needs to become a staff, because that articulation track, I can mark on the notation software faster. I think the staff is just a tool for visualizing music, it's a bridge between players and composers. Although many tutorials are composed in staff, I think that's just to make you easier to understand, not to let you compose in staff. For example, I have various scripts in cakewalk that can automatically draw expressions and legato to complete the work which notation software can do. and there are some script like random notes, random rhythms, etc. When I'm stuck in my mind, I can just copy the motive 100 times and use random notes script. I just play it and then I can go browse the web. if I think it sounds good. I can cut and put it in the media browser. I don't need to play it on the keyboard over and over. or if you think the rhythm is bad and you want to change it to a triplet, you can just use the piano roll to click it. in staff view you might need to delete the whole bar and fill it in again. You may say that every technique has one track. Isn't that hundreds of tracks? It is true that the normal orchestral template is hundreds of tracks. The track you choose is the technique played by your midi keyboard. This is very suitable for sketch. But can cakewalk really handle these hundreds of tracks?The answer is no, it can't freeze empty tracks, you need to add an articulation map to do it, And synth rack is also difficult to choose the instrument (use it to adjust plugin's mic position).
I think these are what cakewalk should improve for people who write orchestral music. Your suggestion is very good, but even if it can display the articulation maps, it will not be much improved, because its engraving is very terrible, and the arrangement between notes is not good. As I said, it has no tremolos, no grace notes, no 64th note, If you export it as xml, you need to modify a lot of notes, otherwise it will be difficult for people to read. But if you export it as a midi file,I believe that other notation software will do better, And the staff view is very difficult to improve. 

The function of the staff is really just a tool to show your own music to others. It would be great if you could automatically turn what you made into a staff,  but I don't think it can be done by cakewalk alone.

2 minutes ago, murat k. said:

You say it without knowing it actually. White screen and sun is almost the same thing for eyes. When the retina’s light-sensing cells become over-stimulated from looking at a bright light, they release massive amounts of signaling chemicals, injuring the back of the eye as a result. I'm just stating what I know.

You're right. but If you don't watch a white screen in the dark, it won't stimulate your eyes. You can turn on the light in your room, or use the night mode. I work during the day, so I always use the white theme. And my eyes never hurt after that.

11 minutes ago, murat k. said:

Dark Theme is a needed feature. With the white screen my eyes are bleeding. You can do a photon ray bombardment your eyes anytime by the way.

 

That's because you're used to the dark environment, and of course you can't stand looking at the light. I'm not saying that you should stare at the sun. Activities beneath the sun can indeed inhibit the growth of the eye axis. Television usually reminds you to watch at a certain distance and ensure sufficient indoor light.  even Bach goes blind just because he is overstressing his vision in poor illumination. If you don't like what I say, forget it. I'm just stating what I know.

15 hours ago, Konstantin Paradizov said:

Hi @hadada, Murat K got it right. There are times when you are forced to write very low notes or very high notes just because a VST instrument works like that. This goes for key switches and sometimes other commands or notes (if your VST instrument is transposed for some reason). 

So, having a note from one staff overlap the space of another staff creates a problem. After it overlaps like that, it's hard to use a mouse to click on the note and edit it because the editor thinks you are clicking on another staff. 

My suggestion was to allow users to move the staff tracks apart to create more space when necessary. That way all those additional ledger lines would not overlap other tracks.

I am studying different software packages just to see what's out there and I see that every single one is not perfect in terms of how notes are entered and what the program can do. I have classical musical education, yet I play guitar and work with tabs besides scoring orchestra. If I work on some soundtrack project, then the software choices get reduced to DAW type right away because you want to be able to have the ultimate power of notation software with the ability to just play an instrument and record it together with VST-based music. But then you get into how much DAW score editors lack dynamics and articulation... If you use notation software like Dorico, Finale or MuseScore - they can't do what Sonar/Bandlab or Cubase do with allowing you that combination of real instrument recordings and scored VST instrument music.

I always thought the Piano Roll was something for people who didn't really know how to read classical notation. 

When you think of modern film music or game soundtracks, you keep coming back to wanting to make DAW score editors better instead of switching to notation software and wishing they could do everything a good DAW does... there is no perfect package.

I have used Sonar for many years and grew accustomed to its concept of a ruler in staff view. You don't have to deal with entering rests. Just enter notes where you want them. Dorico tries to do this, although it doesn't work as well as Bandlab on high resolution monitor and the responsiveness to the clicks seems to be affected by strange delays. Bandlab's staff editor performs well and looks crisp but lacks thorough staff spacing, dynamics and articulation support.

If you listen to Hans Zimmer interviews, he starts everything in Cubase. Scoring his music properly comes secondary. If you listen to Alan Silvestri's interviews, he starts his work in a DAW (Cubase) and then goes over to Dorico to work on proper sheet music for the orchestra. Wouldn't it be nice if DAW software had a powerful score editor? I may be dreaming here. But then, could we start with small steps and gradually build it up to be at least decent? Bandlab has a great start with the ruler/grid mode where composers don't have to worry about entering rests. Nice! So, let's make it even better.

I am teaching my son to use Bandlab as a composer. Unfortunately, he is also learning how much DAW score editors lack in features. Maybe we can do something here for the future generations to not have to deal with the headache of having multiple software packages for the same project and less than perfect Export/Import steps.

Imagine this scenario -- you buy an expensive VST library that has Hans Zimmer's samples of strings. You want it to sound great (that's why you bought it in the first place)! But you also want it to look right in the sheet music. I understand that some VST instruments play entire phrases and you cannot get those to look right in the sheet music until you re-enter those note by note. I get it. But, if those are single notes, wouldn't it be great to at least not have to spend time trying to figure out what each key-switch track under each normal track is doing? Those are impossible to read when there is a lot of them. The composer then has to do something else to mark up the score or has to remember what articulation was placed in each spot, or keep clicking on each key-switch note, struggling to click it because it overlaps some other track, to then look up what it does... This is where a lot of musicians would switch to Dorico as the next closest relative with the ruler/grid concept. But Dorico is no DAW and you end up switching back and forth instead of writing music.

I'd love to hear all of your thoughts on this

Thank you

 

 

I will double the Legato with a long articulation, So the LONG will display correctly in staff view, I think this is the most common way to do. if you mean this:marker track, I've already posted a request.

Most musicians who write orchestral music are splitting different articulation to different tracks for better mix, only when they want to write some complex stuff they will do different articulation on one track. but sometimes you want to let the real instruments play your score, that's when the staff works.

I don't think you should underestimate the piano roll. It's much faster than you are editing in the staff view. You really should learn its tricks.

two videos for you:

Multitrack

pianoroll

Maybe Cakewalk cooperates with other notation software can solve your problem, But I don't think it's necessary to improve the staff view when its other important features are not perfect yet.

5 hours ago, murat k. said:

It seems that some other DAWs already found a way to deal with the issue. This image is from Studio One:

Also it has a Dark Theme which is good for eye health:

The DAWs of today are not focusing a specific task. They are leading a way to do many things together. And I don't want Cakewalk to lag behind that.

cakewalk has it too：

I also used to think that the dark theme is good for the eyes, but in fact it will only make your myopia worse, all animals that live in the dark are blind during the day. And I've seen a lot of research papers saying this. What really helps the eyes are the UV rays, open the windows to let the sun in, put the computer sideways, and use a white theme. Therefore, I don't think cakewalk should turn everything black.

5 hours ago, Byron Dickens said:

^^^^^^ This for starters.

 

As far as improving the Staff View: if it was that easy, don't you think the Bakers would have done it by now?

There must be some technical reason - beyond laziness or disinterest - why it hasn't been done.

I suspect it has to do with the fundamental difference in how DAWs and notation handle things. Music notation is merely a guide - a roadmap for the performer whereas a DAW is built on the paradigm of a tape recorder which captures and then reproduces a specific performance.

Notation can not convey all the subtle intricacies of performance and interpretation that a musician brings to a piece but a recording can.

A strict rendering of notation produces a stiff and lifeless result and an attempt to precisely notate every aspect of a performance results in an extremely messy score that is nearly impossible to read.

 

My preferred solution is to use each application for it's intended purpose, based on it's strengths, instead of fighting with things.  I ultimately find life much easier that way.

I think it's because the staff view needs too much improvement, it has no slur, no glissando, no appoggiatura, no tremolo, can't write transposed instruments, and it's engraving is terrible, when there are many notes in one bar it will become super wide. To be honest, if I want to convert the project into a staff, I would directly import the midi file into musescore to make changes. In fact, it would be much easier to mark on musescore if they had a marker track like this.marker track

I think one of the disadvantages of using daw to compose music is that it is not intuitive. If this can be improved, it should be enough.

In order to make project clean and easy to understand, it is necessary to mark each track:

like this:

All I want is it can automatically display the text from the articulation maps. and It would be better if it could be exported and imported together with the audio track.

7 hours ago, murat k. said:

He is just talking about this thing:

The space between the tracks can be dynamic as regards to the highest or lowest note in the track. 

I wouldn't write something like this, which is hard to read. And changing the clef should solve it. but, if the notes you edit are too close to other tracks, there will be some bugs like gif 1, which will make it difficult to select and edit. not only the marks,even the notes will be affected.So I don't recommend using staff to edit notes.

Why not edit notes like this：

If just the keyswitch problem, why not create a midi track to store them, or to use articulation maps.

You mean this bug? You can right-click to move them or ctrl+ right-click to copy them(Need to be put on the notes.). Or you can go to the event list, which has all the parameters you want to adjust.

You can also press 8 on the keypad to move them, there are also bugs in Nudging it to left and right. Sometimes chords and expression can only be moved once.

There are some bugs. When you double-click it, the mouse will move randomly. Sometimes the mouse is stuck and can only move within a certain range. You need to press the win key to solve them.

But I found it really useful

I think chord tracks can really be like arranger tracks. When changing the chords of the chord track, instead of applying it, those midi notes should snap to those chords, so that midi notes even arpeggio of the whole bar can be changed by editing the chord track, so that different chord arrangements for a song can be quickly made and switched by Arrangements that similar to the arranger track.

3 hours ago, bryan57 said:

I personally think that, while the ideas in here about having Cakewalk automatically detect the chords, etc., are interesting, I think because the complications they bring to implementing them in Cakewalk is the reason we don't have a "chord track" yet, even though it was requested years ago.

I personally would be happy with just a second arranger track that appears below the main arranger track and serves to sub-divide the main sections. As with main arranger sections, I could manually type in sub-section names, and those names could just as well be chord labels. To keep it simple, no sub-section could overlap two or more main sections. This would be a true nesting of one level.  When a section of the main arranger track is moved or copied, the corresponding sub-sections of the second track are moved or copied with it. If a main section is made smaller or larger, any sub-sections at the boundaries would be cut or expanded as needed. 

And that's it.  I personally need no other functionality beyond this - no auto chord detection, etc.

Just having this functionality would be most welcome, even if I have to manually type in chord names, because it would allow me to harmonically orient where I am in the song. I often manually edit virtual midi instrument parts in Cakewalk, (either from scratch or from existing midi notes), and just knowing which chord I'm supposed to be on in a given measure would help immensely in choosing various alternative notes and placement, etc. Currently, I sometimes use the main arranger track to type in chord names, but it would be nice to have chord names and an indication of which part of the song I'm on. It would be nice to have both.

Implementing a second arranger section in this manner would be a "baby step" towards the more complicated functionality of auto-chord detection, global edits of chords, etc. As a "baby step", it would stand a better chance of being implemented in the not-so-distant future.

 

You can already do this through my link. just open event list and only select articulation. You just need to click to know where the chord is.

Maybe this link can help developers complete this function. I really want this function.

reaper forum

In fact, it is now possible to implement simple chord tracks. Just download and copy them and delete those unwanted chords.

chord track

However, compared with studio one, it is still too simple.studio one chord track

just improve these points should be enough:

1 Easier to enter and edit more complex chords

2 Extract chords from midi tracks faster, Extract shortcut keys or automatic extraction.

3 It can also be displayed in the track view

4 Can be extracted without quantizing chords

5 Automatic Voice Leading like this: chord-player

midi track press =+

audio track ctrl + left click

I tried to separate it into different articulation groups. It didn’t work quite well but separating it into different articulation maps works fine for me now.