John Vere

Were's CJ when we need him? He'll tell you to take an elevator to the top floor of the tallest building in town and toss the Audigy card off! 

I speak from personal experiance... I wasted a year trying to get one to work.  They just have terrible drivers, thats all. 

I just opened X3e on my W10 computer and other than it's missing a lot of stuff I now use, it works just fine. But I am using a proper ASIO audio interface so of course it will. My guess is a W10 update really trashed your Creative drivers. 

The old "stupid way" was as follows

Make sure your song is properly lined up with the measures.  Then turn SNAP TO GRIDE Whole measures  on.

A good idea is to Insert markers at the start point of each part -- Example intro, verse1, chorus 1,  bridge, solo,  etc.  so you don't get lost.

Now place cursor at the start of the part you want to copy ,  lets use Verse 1 as example, and use CTRL A to select all, right click and "SPLIT" 

Now go to end of Verse 1 and make another split.  CTRL A makes sure all track are split.

count the measures of verse 1 =  lets say 12 measures

Now go to the place where you want to insert verse 1 again and make a split.

Drag the right hand part of the song to the right 13 measures. this give you room to work.  Warning make sure all data to the right is selected before you drag it. Zooming out might help you see this. 

Now go and copy verse 1 and paste it to the empty space you just made,

Now drag the right hand part back to line up with the end of the inserted verse 1 copy.  Done   

Now after you've done this you'll happy to use Ripple editing  

We love Off topics  

Yes I totally know the history and I owned one that also had a "Big Bottom"  knob.  The trick is to only use them sparingly  as it defiantly will over compress / distort at a certain point. 

My initial problem is I cannot sing into a LDC mike. I've tried a dozen or so and had to sell them all.   I sound terrible and you can hear all this unwanted noise I make when singing,,, To many years of live mike technique I guess.   I therefore sound the best using a Beta 58. So the  Sonic Maximizer  brings back the sparkle that is missing with the 58. 

I also like what it does to acoustic guitar and a little bit on drums too. 

In Pro Channel the only ones I have found I like are the PC 76 U type Compressor and the Gloss EQ.  The Gloss EQ is more or less the only EQ I use anywhere unless I need one on the Master then I like the Focusrite Red 2 EQ .  I don't use a lot of EQ anyhow but I have the Gloss EQ using the Hi Pass filter on every track set at different settings depending on instrument.   For analog audio  If I don't like the way something sounds I re record it.  For VST's instruments I get by with the GUI EQ most times.  

My latest can't live without it is the BBE Sonic Maximizer I got for Christmas. I'm not even sure what it does but with just the right touch everything just shines and jumps out of the mix.  But they are resource hog.  If I put one on every buss I need to FX bypass if I'm re tracking anything.  I've never had an issue with having the Prochannels on all my tracks.  

My understanding is that the more complexed the processing the more CPU it will need.  

So a simple Plug in with a few settings would therefore not be crunching as many numbers as one that had a zillion settings you changed. 

Then those look ahead type I would assume use more power. 

30 minutes ago, Brian Walton said:

Windows 10 needs more than 4 gigs of ram.  Period.  

That was my first reaction. Possibly a old W7 Laptop that was inadvertently updated to W10.  

And it's still a good investment if you have the spare cash to upgrade the old laptops and keep using them if they don't have any other issues. I have 4 kicking around and find uses for them. I use one just for looking up lyrics and running power point for my live rig. 

In Preferances/Midi/ Devices you make sure all boxes are checked.

Then those will show as available inputs on any midi track. 

The HUGE improvment for me is pictures are now local and not a link. 

I also like how you can highlight part of a post and just quote that part instead of the whole long winded terst.  see...cool

1 hour ago, InstrEd said:

I love how user friendly the software is

What you could try is to double the RAM to 8GB and swap out the HD for a SSD drive. I did this on a 2008 Sony Laptop that has a 2.4 duo core processor. It is slow, but it seems fine with Cakewalk on most simple work. I have recorded 16 audio tracks of live Band for over 3 hours with out issue.  I think that Hard drive speed and RAM are more important than the process speed. 

Always use the manufactures supplied ASIO driver.

Not sure why I can't find it on Behinger site but this seems to be the only download. 

https://www.musictribe.com/Categories/Behringer/Mixers/Digital-Mixers/XR18/p/P0BI8/downloads  

It's a left over from bygone days when you certainly needed to have a channel for each of your sounds.

Now I rarely pay attention anymore other than when I use Dim Pro or Xpand. 

Example is if Idownload a midi file there will be a channel for each instrument. Up to 16.  As I point those tracks at new VST's to improve the sound quality I never bother to change the channels.  

Ahh, my math is not so good...

This happens for me in W7,, not W10.  It used to do this in W10 but CbB updates fixed this issue for W10. Solid for a long time now. But same version of CbB in W7 randomly crashes on closing.

I remember the infamous date of November 2018 when we found out Sonar was a dead end.  One of the big topics was how to hold on to what we have and for as long as possible. Hopefully everyone here who had owned the older versions of Sonar followed through with a backup strategy. I myself have at least 5 copies of everything. As well as Splat and Home studio installed on 5 computers. I don't use them, but they are part of my eternal back up pan still.

One fear was going to be the day Windows updates would kill Sonar Plat dead. We figured we had about 10 years before that would happen.

Then there was the issue that when the servers died you would be hooped for a new install authorization. Everybody was demanding that Gibson supply us with a offline authorization code. I was sceptical that it would ever happen. That would have entailed a lot of work for someone with no profit involved. 

Well in a short period of time this became a none issue as we got something much better out of the deal.  But still---

 I do hope that everyone  has a good back up plan in place as you never know. The one small thing about CbB that bugs me is we are told it needs to be re authorized every 6 months. So what happens if this ship sinks?   In a way we were better off with the old system of having the 2 authorization codes like with X3.   Splat can still be authorized but if this ship sinks then what?   So don't delete your Splat installation ever, you might just need it again, hopefully not.

Open Dim Pros options menu.  you have to toggle multi channel and it uses 1-4. 

I don't have Kontact but I'm sure you could look in the manual for your answer. 

Single channel VST's like say SI Bass will play on any midi channel. Multi channel VST's as well but some, LIke Air's Xpand only give you ch 1,2,3 &4 and the Air Strike Drums use channels for different drum maps.  

It's easy to change the midi tracks channel use the dialog box  C= Channel 

That's very odd. I tried but I cannot get all the inputs showing a check mark like your screen shot. Even if you choose ALL INPUTS.  Must be one of those hidden toggles. 

My Observation.

My W10 DAW is always on line and kept 100% up to date at least once a week. It has not crashed or froze Cakewalk in a long time now. Always works.

My W7 Laptop is the opposite and I only update it before I'm going to use it and then shut off the internet.

But I constantly will freeze up Cakewalk if you even so much as sneeze. I'm used to this and just keep saving as I work.  CbB seems to run better on W10.

Both computers are very similar with the only difference being the desktop is i7 12 GB RAM, and Laptop i5 8GB RAM. My projects are not big. Some are only 4 tracks of midi but they can freeze on saving or if I am moving too fast while editing.

Obviously there's a missing Pro Channel module or one that has it's output shut off. Best to start fresh and create a new buss and re populate the effects.  But first look closely at the pro channel modules. 

Why are you uninstalling everything?? that to me is a waste of time.  Only logical uninstal would be Bandlab stuff. 

There's a lot more that would be needed to be done to achieve a clean install of Sonar.  There's all sorts of folders and registry entries that are left behind. 

Just run CCC and bring everything up to date. Then install CbB. 

In your case first thing I would do is just bring CCC up to date and leave CbB alone. 

Just run the VST scanner once your done updating CCC. 

The thing is there's always 4 or more ways to do just about anything in Cakewalk.  

I use sort of what Chuck does no problem. 

record the first clip for how ever many measure.

Right click and and select "Groove clip looping" ( CTRL L ) 

now I use the magnifier to zoom out to see whole song, drag clip to end or ??   

Insert a new audio track and have at it.  

A lot of the issues from the X1 days are long gone and over. I was a huge " No Internet " preacher in the past. Now it's a none issue. 

W10 and it's default security systems seem to play smoothly with my DAW and because Cakewalk ( by Bandlab) was made and tweaked to run on W10 I never have issues anymore.  A modern 4 core computer with 8 or 16 GB of RAM won't even break a sweat when running large projects anymore. Only thing I might get is graphics slowing down.  

It's of interest that this is still active, I just followed through and it worked. Home Studio 2017  is also free not that It would be as good as CbB but interesting for those who like free. Possibly the add ons are worth the time it takes to do this. 

http://forum.cakewalk.com/Free-copy-of-Home-Studio-m3718860.aspx

It's never easy when trying to manipulate data in way it was never meant to be manipulated

As Gswitz posted above.  You generate the midi data for each kit piece and then you can put it where ever you want it to play in PVR easily. I don't even change the replacer assignments. 

Toms are a nightmare as drum replacer doesn't seem to pick out which tom ( hi. mid low)  unless you closed miked them with gates.  And crash cymbals will leak into the mix etc. It's a lot of editing one way or the other.  

What I do is use a blend of the audio drums and mix in with a bit of VST.  I then use the VST to tighten up the timing and enhance the sound.  Then use volume envelopes to get rid of out of time hits from the audio tracks. It's a lot of work... But worth it in cases like mine were the drum tracks are very old and the drummer is long gone down the road. This one particular drummer had a very dark tone which I never liked much.  And his timing was sloppy.  There's only 5 audio tracks which is limiting. 

2 hours ago, John said:

Thanks Chuck, I knew about that there is a key to do that but I didn't recall it. Yes I did like it. 

Ahh, but look at that help module screenshot I posted... ,,,see ... it tells you this. exactly what my point was. 

7 hours ago, abacab said:

The best plan is to first install Sonar Platinum completely, with all of the add-ons,. Then  install the new Cakewalk.

This_   There have been many posts with this topic. And your best off to go this route as you'll otherwise be facing a lot of fussing about. Splat takes up very little space itself.  I rebuilt a Laptop and this was more or less all I had to do. 

Clean Computer:

Install Command Center and sign in.

Run and Install Platinum and then all the extras I wanted. 

Authorize Melodyne and XLN. run updates etc. 

NOW, install Bandlab assistant and Cakewalk  

Next install all my 3rd party VST's and authorize etc.  Tip- I make sure they are all pointed to the Steinberg VST folder.  

Cakewalk CbB  on opening for 1st time scans and all my plug ins are present and accounted for including Session Drummer 3.