Frank DeFede

when I opened Cakewalk yesterday, I got a message that Cakewalk registration was going to expired. I didn't have to deal with it just then. I opened it today and it opened with no message.

I went to the BandLab Assistant and opened it. It came up with a blank screen with no option to do anything. I want to be sure that my registration doesn't expiration. Can anyone give me advice on how to re-register or to fix the BandLab Assistant.

Thank You

Is there a setting that will automatically mute the last take when recording a new take.   I always have to mute the last take in the track lanes.  It isn't a big deal, but seems like it used to automatically mute the previous take when comping.

Thanks

Frank

I have 3 midi tracks Strings, Celesta, and Piano.  I want to bounce each of them to separate audio tracks for further mixing.

I selected the string midi track an and froze it. No problem it made an audio file of just the strings on a new track.  The problem is the other 2 midi tracks.  They freeze along with the strings.  If I hit unfreeze on the celesta and/or the piano it unfreezes the Strings.  It's like they are all tied together.

I also tried to use the track folder, but it says no audio is selected to bounce.  I thought I could bounce midi files in the Track folder. 

Any help is much appreciated.

On 3/3/2024 at 7:04 AM, msmcleod said:

To use multiple outputs on the TTS-1, you have to route the MIDI channels to the audio outputs within TTS-1 itself, as by default all MIDI channels route to the main stereo outputs.


 

20 hours ago, John Vere said:

If you need more info these videos are about using tts-1 as well as midi editing 

https://youtu.be/pwEMq67Zn3s?si=8i84uF3480IfxI2D

https://youtu.be/cyJUN2OdmBY?si=CAhJ2SotkpPcM6H_

 

Thanks Max,

I will definitely dig into these videos.

Thank you all for your help! I now have a much better understanding. It still gets a but confusing at times, but thanks to this forum and the time you took to respond with your knowledge I am most excited that I can complete the song I'm working on and my album project.

One thing I still don't understand is that when I used to insert a soft synth with multiple tracks it would also insert 1 midi track and 4 of output tracks. Now I have to insert the midi track separately. 

Is that a software update or is there some setting I am missing when inserting the soft snyth TTS-1 in order to get the midi track at the same time?

Frank

13 minutes ago, msmcleod said:

To use multiple outputs on the TTS-1, you have to route the MIDI channels to the audio outputs within TTS-1 itself, as by default all MIDI channels route to the main stereo outputs.


 

Hi Mark,

Thank you for pointing this out to me.  I never knew about this and it has always been confusing to me. I went ahead and followed your instructions.  I had the strings working, and the Piano, but couldn't get the Celesta to output.  So I went ahead and inserted a new TTS-1 with the 4 tracks. I assigned the outputs as you directed and it worked great, prefect.

Thank you for this information.  Now i am moving on to figuring out how to quantize the midi tracks, and hopefully i won't have to post. 

Frank

1 hour ago, Max Arwood said:

They look like they are on different channels which would be correct.  If midi 1 goes to tts1’ channel 1, and tts1 output goes to (synth-audio)track 1. That should output 1 synth track from midi 1
Midi 2 to Tts channel2, tts channel 2 to synth/audio track 2  you will need 2 more copies of Ty’s synth track to output the 3 different tracks

As you put tts1 into the project it ask how many outputs do you wasn’t. Just say all. That was those missing tracks will be made for you. 
 

most of the time I just use channel 1 and have a midi and synth track. Thi makes it much faster to unfreeze, edit a note and refreeze. If you used a synth like Kontakt you would find yourself wanting to correct 1 note and having to wait for 32 tracks to unfreeze and re freeze. 
 

Easiest way use 3 copies of tts1

set channel 1 of each for your instruments

3 synth tracks 3 midi tracks  (or more)

I did a work around.

1. Muted 2 of the midi tracks.

2. Frozen and Outputting the strings solo as suggested

3. I copied the frozen strings 

4. Pasted the frozen strings to the newly inserted audio track

5. Unfreeze Strings

5. Repeated Steps 1 - 5 for each of the other midi tracks, Celesta, and piano

It worked, but I still need to figure out the correct and easiest way.

Thanks for all of your help.

Thanks Glenn,

I started this project from a previous project. It apparently had more than one instance of TTS-1 as there are several in the pull-down menu to select for output.  TTS-1 1, TTS-1 2, TTS-1 3, TTS-1 4.  But, only one of them work as I tried to output to them all.  The only one that works is the 1st instance TTS-1 1.  I think the others may have been deleted,  but still show up in the pull-down menus?

You're right the the 3 midi tracks are tied to the same instance of the TTS-1. I will try your suggestion, and I believe I have done that before, but for some reason I couldn't get it to work last night. I tried for hours. The problem is that all 3 midi tracks get frozen.  Mutting 2 of them does give me the one track of strings only. But, in order to freeze the next midi track I have to unfreeze the Celesta and then it unfreeze all 3 again.

Thank you for your suggestion. I will try it again this morning 🌄.  Do you know if there is a way to separate the 3 midi tracks to be independent.  I inserted a new soft synth TTS--1 with 4 multiple outputs thinking I could send my midi tracks to it, but couldn't get the midi tracks to output to any of the 4 tracks.

Thank you kindly!

Frank

I have 3 midi tracks Strings, Celesta, and Piano.  I want to bounce each of them to separate audio tracks for further mixing.

I selected the string midi track an and froze it. No problem it made an audio file of just the strings on a new track.  The problem is the other 2 midi tracks.  They freeze along with the strings.  If I hit unfreeze on the celesta and/or the piano it unfreezes the Strings.  It's like they are all tied together.

I also tried to use the track folder, but it says no audio is selected to bounce.  I thought I could bounce midi files in the Track folder. 

Any help is much appreciated.

I have almost always had a problem when punching in a keyboard track.  It usually starts late even though the punch area is correct.  Sometimes it works, but not too often. I have tried different methods like playing along with the tracks even before the punch in area, but that doesn't work.  I thought maybe stepping on the sustain pedal may be the answer. I usually do a work around by putting the notes in the missed area, but it is a pain as you can imagine.

Does anyone else have a problem with this? If so is there a solution.

Thanks again for all of your help from this forum.

Frank

I adjust the volume on the TTA-1 to about 100 on channel 1 and 3. But, as soon as I start the song it jumps back up to 127. I had brought it up to 127 so I could clearly hear what I was playing, but now I need to mix it into a more realistic level of around 100.  But, it jumps back up to 127 as soon as I start playback. I have search on the module to see if there is an automation function, but I can't find one if there is one or you can advise me on how to defeat this from jumping back up, any help on this is much appreciated. 

Thanks

Frank

Hi John,

Thank you for the tip.  After I posted I noticed that the numbers show up after the track is frozen. I was trying to figure out what I had played on a track and I wanted to see the note names instead of the numbers.  So I had unfroze the track and the names came back. 

After I got you tip I tried the method you suggested, by right clicking on the piano on the midi track and the frozen track. The numbers switched to the piano with the names, but then my program is not working as it is waiting for me to select my option in a hidden box.  Everything I click on just dings without any response. The only way out was to hit Control/Alt/delete which then brings up the task manager and I can see the dialog box.

I am still a bit confused, but I can work with it.  Thanks for your help.  It is much appreciated.

My piano roll is showing numbers instead of the names of notes.It was showing the names which was great as I could easily see if I had made a mistake or if I wanted to go back and figure out what I had played. Then I must of hit something as it is now showing numbers instead of the names. I tried searching for the solution for this for about an hour and I haven't been able to figure it out.

Any help is much appreciated.

Thank you

2 hours ago, Frank DeFede said:

 

Hi John,

Thank you for the video. I followed the instructions exactly. It worked great on a new project, but for some reason I can't get my previous projects that always worked before to play from out of the Yamaha Keyboard.  I am still trying to figure it out.  I think I am almost there.  I will keep you posted.  Thank you for your help and everyone's help in the forum. 

I learned a lot of other tips from this video.  I will go to Youtube and subscribe.

Frank 

I think I have it working. A few more tests to be sure!  I will let you know.

Thanks

14 hours ago, David Baay said:

I had a quick look at the manual. The YPG-635 does have Local On/Off, but that shouldn't have any bearing on your current issue. The purpose of turning Local Control Off is so that the YPG's sound module doesn't respond directly to the keyboard (via internal 'Local' connection between the keyboard its sound module) when you just want to use the keyboard as a controller to play a soft synth in the DAW or another external sound module.. The usual way to use a keyboard synth in Cakewalk is to have a MIDI track receiving and echoing MIDI back to the keyboard and an audio track receiving and echoing the synth's audio output to monitors connected to the audio interface/soundcard of the PC. That way you have complete control over what you record and hear from within Cakewalk. Both tracks need to have the Input Echo button enabled. For the MIDI track, Cakewalk will auto-echo it by default (see Always Echo Current MIDI Track in Preferences > MIDI Playback and Recording) when it's in focus (track name highlighted).

Right offhand, I didn't see that any particular mode needs to be set to get the Yamaha's sound module to respond to external MIDI input, so if you're able to set the MIDI track's Input and Output to the Yamaha, and Input Echo is enabled, it should be working. But you should double-check the 'PC Mode' setting against the manual to make sure you've got it right.

10 hours ago, John Vere said:

https://youtu.be/YJlI6U8Rqa0?si=Fi6Qt5Mo_qa3Jsnv

 

Hi John,

Thank you for the video. I followed the instructions exactly. It worked great on a new project, but for some reason I can't get my previous projects that always worked before to play from out of the Yamaha Keyboard.  I am still trying to figure it out.  I think I am almost there.  I will keep you posted.  Thank you for your help and everyone's help in the forum. 

I learned a lot of other tips from this video.  I will go to Youtube and subscribe.

Frank 

14 minutes ago, Giorgio Gabriel said:

As far as I can see your track n. 3 is routing to Cakewalk... (maybe TTS1?).

Try to set the output to Portable Grand instead and the midi data will go there (back to your piano).

Regards,

Giorgio

Hi Giorgio, yes I had it set to the Portable Grand, but forgot to take the screen capture when it was set to the Portable Grand, sorry for the confusion. It doesn't work under Portable Grand either.

Thanks

13 hours ago, Frank DeFede said:

 

 

Hello and thank you for your input,

My keyboard is a Yamaha YPG-635.  I don't see any place to turn off "Local on/off.  I will check deeper into it.

12 hours ago, 57Gregy said:

What is listed in the output section?

 

13 hours ago, David Baay said:

I had a quick look at the manual. The YPG-635 does have Local On/Off, but that shouldn't have any bearing on your current issue. The purpose of turning Local Control Off is so that the YPG's sound module doesn't respond directly to the keyboard (via internal 'Local' connection between the keyboard its sound module) when you just want to use the keyboard as a controller to play a soft synth in the DAW or another external sound module.. The usual way to use a keyboard synth in Cakewalk is to have a MIDI track receiving and echoing MIDI back to the keyboard and an audio track receiving and echoing the synth's audio output to monitors connected to the audio interface/soundcard of the PC. That way you have complete control over what you record and hear from within Cakewalk. Both tracks need to have the Input Echo button enabled. For the MIDI track, Cakewalk will auto-echo it by default (see Always Echo Current MIDI Track in Preferences > MIDI Playback and Recording) when it's in focus (track name highlighted).

Right offhand, I didn't see that any particular mode needs to be set to get the Yamaha's sound module to respond to external MIDI input, so if you're able to set the MIDI track's Input and Output to the Yamaha, and Input Echo is enabled, it should be working. But you should double-check the 'PC Mode' setting against the manual to make sure you've got it right.

Good Morning David,

Thank you for the detailed explanation and for taking the time to check out the Yamaha YPG-365 manual.  I did friend the local setting and the PCI setting earlier, but I am not sure which settings they should be on.  I tried local on and off, and I tired PC Mode in the PCI and PC2 mode, but none of that worked either so I now set them back to "Local Off", and "PC Mode to Off."

I believe I have the section under midi in the prefaces set correctly, and I tried several options with it, but still it doesn't work.  It is set to ECHO SYSTEM EXCLUSIVE, PORTABLE GRARND1, and ALWAYECHO CURRENT MIDE TRACK. I toggled each of the settings to see if it would work, but none of them produced sound back to the Yamaha. The Cakewalk TT1 works find though.  Here is a screen shot. thank you for your help. I must still be doing something stupid somewhere. I am usually pretty good with the help of the forum in figuring things out. So far I am still stuck. But, I will keep trying.

12 hours ago, 57Gregy said:

What is listed in the output section?

 

Hi Greg,

I think I have mine set up this way.  Here is a screen capture.  But, still not working for me.  Thank you for the suggestion.  I am still looking for the problem.  Al of the suggestions are helping. It is much appreciated.

2 minutes ago, Frank DeFede said:

I found the Local setting, and I turn it on.  It is still not working.  I assume it should be set to on right?  If was OFF.

 

Hello and thank you for your input,

My keyboard is a Yamaha YPG-635.  I don't see any place to turn off "Local on/off.  I will check deeper into it.

4 hours ago, Giorgio Gabriel said:

The midi track, once recorded, should go to a phisical midi output in (in the track, check where the output is going). That output should be connected to the midi IN of your keyboard.

If the keyboard is only connected via usb, check into the preferences in Cbb in the midi section and activate the usb yamaha midi output, then set the track to that midi output.

Regards,

Giorgio

4 hours ago, David Baay said:

Does the keyboard have a MIDI Activity indicator on it that lights with incoming MIDI?  How are you monitoring the Yamaha's ouput - echoing it back through an audio track in CbB or direct from the keyboard to headphones/monitors?

 

3 hours ago, OutrageProductions said:

Most Yamaha keyboards have a setting for 'local on/off' which basically disconnects the built in sound engine.

Hello and thank you for your input,

My keyboard is a Yamaha YPG-635.  I don't see any place to turn off "Local on/off.  I will check deeper into it.

4 hours ago, David Baay said:

Does the keyboard have a MIDI Activity indicator on it that lights with incoming MIDI?  How are you monitoring the Yamaha's ouput - echoing it back through an audio track in CbB or direct from the keyboard to headphones/monitors?

 

Hi David,

Thank you for your feedback!

My Keyboard is a Yamaha YPG-635.  I don't think I have ever seen it indicate Midi activity so I guess it has no indicator light. The output monitors directly from the keyboard through the speakers when I set the output in cakewalk on the midi channel to Yamaha Grand Piano 1.  

I am not having any luck so far.

Frank

39 minutes ago, Frank DeFede said:

Hi Glorgio,

Thank you for your input. 

It is connected via USB..  I looked under Edit/Preferences/Midi, but I don't see the midi output to activate it.  I'm I looking in the wrong place?

Frank

By the way my Keyboard is a Yamaha YPG-635

13 minutes ago, Frank DeFede said:

Hi Glorgio,

Thank you for your input. 

It is connected via USB..  I looked under Edit/Preferences/Midi, but I don't see the midi output to activate it.  I'm I looking in the wrong place?

Frank

3 hours ago, Giorgio Gabriel said:

The midi track, once recorded, should go to a phisical midi output in (in the track, check where the output is going). That output should be connected to the midi IN of your keyboard.

If the keyboard is only connected via usb, check into the preferences in Cbb in the midi section and activate the usb yamaha midi output, then set the track to that midi output.

Regards,

Giorgio

Hi Glorgio,

Thank you for your input. 

It is connected via USB..  I looked under Edit/Preferences/Midi, but I don't see the midi output to activate it.  I'm I looking in the wrong place?

Frank

I am able to record midi to a midi track and play it back through the Cakewalk TTS fine form my Yamaha keyboard, but I used to be able to select the Yamaha Piano output and play it back to the keyboard.  For some reason I can no longer get the sound on the keyboard when playing back.  I have tried for hours and finally I need help.  I have used this before many times as I can here the playback much better going back to the keyboard when tracking.  Once I know I have what I want then I select the Cakewalk TTS for mixing.

Maybe I am not setting the insert soft synth correctly? IDK  Any help is much appreciated.

Thank You